> > I would like to start with documentation and arch. diagrams etc. That
 > > is critical to newcomers and fresh ideas and even updates, I feel.
 > >
 > > If you dont know the roadmap how will you get to where you want to go?
 > > We need some guy with project management background ; I can help with
 > > that if no one volunteers.
 > >
 >
 >  No, we need people doing the work. You can't even imagine how many managers
 >  we have here. But 100 managers do not dig a single hole in the ground.



 We need architecture related docs pronto; its the difference between
 reliable coding and hacks.

 If we have enough managers we ought to have such documentation by now
 and a methodology in place. Whoever these people are who cannot dig a
 hole in the ground are not really managers now are they?

 You could call them parasites but lets not even go there. I have my
 own prejudices and politics I would like your help in keeping that to
 the minimum and keeping my goals and productivity to the maximum so we
 can make using this software enjoyable for everyone.


 >  We don't have a roadmap, currently.

Lets begin with a simple to do list (pdf screen shot
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/apachejames/files/ it is the one
titled pdf screen shot) from projectpath /
 basecamp?

the full url to this is  http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/apachejames/files/

 We however definitely need docs and arch. for our own understanding.

http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/IEsfSKfWuD6f0zvZPv2ax8pJDAZBlxkmS9al3FFaKSGg0Co7c4bn8CQEdQEYOYBNvK2KXi_sRo1Xym0eAhMRDw/Screenshot%201.pdf


 Thanks Ersoy for the link to the modeling tool. I have access to some
 of them in IBM Rational App Developer and recall using some of their
 primitive features. Though some intelligent software that auto
 documents would be cool.

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