Athar - 
In an ideal (read "paid") setting, your ideas may make sense.

However - Open Source is based on respect for your fellows; in this
case, Stefano and his group (of which there have been many) have not
only created an outstanding and extensible email server, they also
provide some of the best support I have ever seen in an open-source
project. If you want support for your own initiatives, you need to:

#1 Understand the project already, at least a good amount of it
#2 Show respect for the efforts already spent
#3 Respectfully suggest some improvements
#4 Display some expertise/leadership/knowledge that might rally support

So far you've done the opposite on every point. This is basic
open-source conduct - before you get involved in your first OS project,
you should familiarize yourself with how they operate. It's not another
day job. Google "open source conduct" to get an idea.  Here's a nice
example:
http://krow.livejournal.com/594596.html


Kent Butler


-----Original Message-----
From: Athar Shiraz Siddiqui [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 3:01 PM
To: James Users List
Subject: Project Path : to do list

> > I would like to start with documentation and arch. diagrams etc. 
> > That
 > > is critical to newcomers and fresh ideas and even updates, I feel.
 > >
 > > If you dont know the roadmap how will you get to where you want to
go?
 > > We need some guy with project management background ; I can help
with  > > that if no one volunteers.
 > >
 >
 >  No, we need people doing the work. You can't even imagine how many
managers  >  we have here. But 100 managers do not dig a single hole in
the ground.



 We need architecture related docs pronto; its the difference between
reliable coding and hacks.

 If we have enough managers we ought to have such documentation by now
and a methodology in place. Whoever these people are who cannot dig a
hole in the ground are not really managers now are they?

 You could call them parasites but lets not even go there. I have my
own prejudices and politics I would like your help in keeping that to
the minimum and keeping my goals and productivity to the maximum so we
can make using this software enjoyable for everyone.


 >  We don't have a roadmap, currently.

Lets begin with a simple to do list (pdf screen shot
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/apachejames/files/ it is the one
titled pdf screen shot) from projectpath /  basecamp?

the full url to this is
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/apachejames/files/

 We however definitely need docs and arch. for our own understanding.

http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/IEsfSKfWuD6f0zvZPv2ax8pJDAZBlxkmS9al3FFaKSG
g0Co7c4bn8CQEdQEYOYBNvK2KXi_sRo1Xym0eAhMRDw/Screenshot%201.pdf


 Thanks Ersoy for the link to the modeling tool. I have access to some
of them in IBM Rational App Developer and recall using some of their
primitive features. Though some intelligent software that auto
documents would be cool.

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