And it's "autonomic" computing (not "automatic").
Anne
On 11/20/05, Gautham Kasinath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hey Steve,
On the topic of real world implementation of SOA Governance, here is a
link:
http://www.oracle.com/technology/products/webservices_manager/htdocs/owsm_10gr2_fov.html
The Oblix COREsv was formerly Confluent Software, the product of which
I was.
To add to the list that Anne had posted, I reckon the need today is to
have policies for SOA or Web Services, in such a way that they are
flexible enough to adopt newer technologies. With XML based
standardized policy language specification, one might argue that such
a thing is already on the map, however, the way I see it, there is
still a need for programming languages to map XML data structures into
thier own language. This is not only a performance over head for
applications developed, but also a technology overhead. Technology
overhead, because, if someone comes along in say a couple of decades
and invents a more robust mechanism of data exchange, the applications
built today may be in the same soup as legacy COBOL based Mainframe
applications of yesteryears.
What do you think?
Hhmm... automatic computing.. that sure is new to me, I guess I will
read some things up on that! I sure am on a steep learning curve just
a few days after joining this group! Thanks a bunch!
Cheers
G.
--- In [email protected] , Steve
Ross-Talbot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I agree that the workshop was not entitled governance for SOA at all.
> But it was very much in that direction. As you say governance is a
very
> wide topic. Alas your reports are not available whereas the position
> papers at the workshop are freely available. So at least it is a start
> and coupled with your basic thoughts perhaps we can drive forward in
> the right direction.
>
> I'd be interested in any open discussion on the topic as I have
spend a
> good deal of time talking to people about this in various roles
> (vendors, users and just practitioners) and thus far it remains
> something of a wish list rather than something that really exists in
> product. I do know that the companies you mentioned have made strides
> in this area (including Systinet - your old company, and of course
> Enigmatec - my old company) but we are a long way off from achieving
> the sort of governance that is needed to achieve the IBM vision of
> autonomic computing.
>
> So any ideas thoughts would be welcome and doubly so if we can make it
> an open discussion.
>
> Cheers
>
> Steve T
>
> On 19 Nov 2005, at 13:52, Anne Thomas Manes wrote:
>
> > Based on my experience working with clients, I disagree that the
term
> > "governance" is scoped to the subject of the W3C workshop on
> > constraints and capabilities. I've written a lot about governance
for
> > Burton Group. Unfortunately, I can't share those reports with you
> > because Burton Group reports are available only to subscribers.
> >
> > But I will share with you some basic thoughts:
> >
> > Governance refers to the processes that an enterprise puts in
place to
> > ensure that things are done right, where "right" means in accordance
> > with best practices, architectural principles, government
regulations,
> > laws, and other determining factors. SOA governance refers to the
> > processes used to govern adoption and implementation of SOA.
> >
> > SOA governance involves three steps:
> > 1 Define SOA policies
> > 2 Deploy an SOA infrastructure that supports adoption of these
> > policies
> > 3 Institute a set of formal processes and procedures that verify
> > compliance with these policies
> >
> > SOA policies relate to issues such as:
> > • ·        Design principles
> > • ·        Preferred design patterns
> > • ·        Application-factoring rules
> > • ·        Naming conventions
> > • ·        Metadata requirements
> > • ·        Documentation
> > • ·        Preferred products
> > • ·        Product selection guidelines
> > • ·        Preferred domain standards
> > • ·        Preferred industry standards
> > • ·        Methods for dealing with regulatory
requirements
> > • ·        Methods for assessing security risks
> > •     Methods for implementing security based on risk factor
> > • ·        Methods for ensuring reliability and
transaction
> > integrity·
> > •     Service testing
> > •      New service deployment and staging
> > • ·        Service registration
> > • ·        Service classification
> > • ·        Service provisioning
> > • ·        Service configuration
> > • ·        Service monitoring
> > • ·        Client provisioning
> > • ·        Service modification
> > • ·        Service versioning
> > • ·        Impact analysis
> > • ·        Service level objectives (SLO)
> > • ·        Service level agreement (SLA) compliance
tracking
> > • ·        Error tracking and resolution
> > This list is long, but it barely scratches the surface.
> >
> > Products that help with SOA governance include registries,
> > repositories, software asset management systems, workflow, testing
> > tools, web services management.
> >
> > No one vendor covers the full SOA governance lifecycle.
> >
> > Leading players in the SOA governance software market include:
> > • Systinet and WebLayers, who provide policy management systems
> > (repository-based system for managing the lifecycle of codified
> > policies) as well as policy compliance testing tools and integrated
> > workflow for managing approval processes. Mindreef also does some
> > compliance testing, but at a much smaller scope.
> > • Systinet, Infravio, Flashline, and LogicLibrary, who provide
> > registries, repositories, and/or software asset management systems,
> > which are extremely useful for managing SOA assets and which can be
> > used as a gatekeeper for institution of governance approval
processes
> > at various points in the service lifecycle (dev, testing, staging,
> > provisioning, revisions)Â
> > • AmberPoint, Actional, Layer 7, and Reactivity, who provide
support
> > for governance at the service provisioning and runtime stages.
> > Anne
> >
> > On 11/19/05, Gautham Kasinath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >> Thanks for the brief explanation. I am reading the workshop materials
> >> from W3C on the topic, following your advice.
> >>
> >> Thanks again.
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >> Gautham Kasinath
> >> --- In [email protected], Steve
> >> Ross-Talbot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Gautham,
> >> >
> >> > Normally the term governance as applied to SOA is based on the
> >> notion
> >> > of static governance.
> >> > This is the sort of thing that WS-Policy (which is not a
standard)
> >> is
> >> > all about. A recent workshop
> >> > run by W3C looked at wider notions of governance including the more
> >> > interesting form which is
> >> > dynamic governance.
> >> >
> >> > It probably makes sense to take a peek at the W3C workshop
papers to
> >> > get a better understanding
> >> > of what governance is all about.
> >> >
> >> > Cheers
> >> >
> >> > Steve T
> >> >
> >> > W3C Workshop on Constraints and Capabilities for Web Services
> >> >Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â
http://www.w3.org/2004/09/ws-cc-program.html#papers
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On 19 Nov 2005, at 00:33, Gautham Kasinath wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > Hello,
> >> > >
> >> > >Â Â What exactly is SOA governance? Is it goverining an SOA
> >> framework,
> >> > >Â Â like in monitoring request-response, SLA etc?
> >> > >
> >> > >Â Â Cheers
> >> > >Â Â Gautham Kasinath
> >> > >
> >> > >Â Â --- In [email protected], John
> >> Crupi
> >> > >Â Â <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> > >Â Â >
> >> > >Â Â > Would you like to start with the use-cases/scenarios
first to
> >> helpÂ
> >> > >Â Â > narrow the problem?
> >> > >Â Â >
> >> > >Â Â > jc
> >> > >Â Â > -----------------------------------------
> >> > >Â Â > John Crupi
> >> > >Â Â > CTO, Enterprise Web Services Practice
> >> > >Â Â > Sun Distinguished Engineer
> >> > >Â Â > AIM: JohnCrupi
> >> > >Â Â > Blog: blogs.sun.com/crupi
> >> > >Â Â > Cell: 301.526.7890
> >> > >Â Â >
> >> > >Â Â >
> >> > >Â Â > On Nov 18, 2005, at 12:22 AM, Tilak Mitra wrote:
> >> > >Â Â >
> >> > >Â Â > > I am looking for some real world implementation of SOA
> >> > >Â Â > > Governance, starting right from a project inception
> >> > >Â Â > > i.e. Strategy and Visioning , through Design,
> >> > >Â Â > > Implementation and right through operational and
> >> > >Â Â > > runtime.
> >> > >Â Â > > Any white paper / research work or material in any
> >> > >Â Â > > other form would be helpful.
> >> > >Â Â > > Thanks
> >> > >Â Â > > Regards
> >> > >Â Â > > Tilak
> >> > >Â Â > >
> >> > >Â Â > >
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