Hi Keith, Thanks very much for this. It's very interesting.
Apologies to JP and Todd for my being slow to understand what they were talking about. It seemed as if they were proposing that we all get into the management consulting or business re-engineering field or something unrelated to software. But now I see that they are suggesting the application of SOA principles to human interactions as well as software interactions. Great stuff - please keep your cigars though JP ;-). Eric ps Thanks again to everyone for taking the time and effort to respond and clarify. --- Keith Harrison-Broninski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Eric > > This list may be about technology, but it's not > /just/ about technology, > is it. A mature approach to SOA must be > business-focused, as I expect > most people on this list would agree. > > And software can do more than help people interact > with computers - it > can help them interact with each other. > > What JP and Gervas were saying is that the > architectural principles > emerging for SOA (based on establishment of > multi-party service > contracts for collaborative behaviour) also seem to > be useful in > management. I would go further and say that in a > decentralized, > globalized, Internet-enabled economy it will soon be > hard to survive > without applying such principles to the organization > of your enterprise. > > When I first went into print with a methodology for > the application of > such management principles, and their support with > software tools, the > ideas were greeted mainly with lack of comprehension > - they "just didn't > make sense" to a lot of people. Like SOA, perhaps, > a few years back? > Now, 12 months later, I am being approached on a > regular basis to give > private strategic briefings to some of the largest > companies in the world. > > It may be early days, but the ideas are taking root, > and those seeking > to apply them may well decide not to shout about it, > since they are a > major source of competitive advantage. As McKinsey > wrote recently > <http://www.mckinseyquarterly.com/article_page.aspx?ar=1690&L2=18&L3=30>: > > > the shift from transactional to tacit interactions > requires companies > > to think differently about how to improve > performance - and about > > their technology investments. Moreover, the rise > of tacit occupations > > opens up the possibility that companies can again > create capabilities > > and advantages that rivals can't easily duplicate. > > If you want to understand what it is all about, a > good starting point is > this presentation > <http://www.humanedj.com/the_work_processor.pdf>. > -- > > All the best > Keith > > http://keith.harrison-broninski.info > > Eric Newcomer wrote: > > >This whole debate just doesn't make sense to me. > > > >If the goal of SOA is to align business and > >technology, technology by definition plays a role, > >doesn't it? > > > >Sure, maybe sometimes the human role is forgotten > in > >the debates over which technology is best for SOA, > but > >we are talking about software here, and the purpose > of > >software is to let people tell computers what to > do. > > > >But perhaps I am alone in assuming that technology > is > >by definition related to people and what they want > to > >accomplish. > > > >Eric > > > > > >--- Keith Harrison-Broninski > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >wrote: > > > > > > > >>Exactly the "productive new management > methodology" > >>Gervas describes is > >>described in detail in my book Human Interactions > >><http://www.mkpress.com/hi> ("the breakthrough > that > >>changes the rules of > >>business" - Peter Fingar, "the overarching > framework > >>for 21st century > >>business technology" - bptrends.com, etc - more > >>reviews and other info > >>available online > >><http://www.human-interaction-management.info>). > >> > >>This is the reason for my personal interest in > SOA, > >>btw - my R&D focus > >>is human collaborative work > >><http://www.humanedj.com/the_work_processor.pdf>, > >>but I have always > >>thought this field would inevitably converge with > >>SOA via a common > >>management approach - and quite possibly a common > >>toolset. My recent > >>blog series on BPM futures > >><http://www.ebizq.net/blogs/it_directions> > >>explains some aspects of what such a toolset may > >>look like. > >> > >>Sorry for the billboarding! I am not selling > >>products here, though, > >>just showing where to find ideas and free software > >>tools :-) > >> > >>-- > >> > >>All the best > >>Keith > >> > >>http://keith.harrison-broninski.info > >> > >> > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/service-orientated-architecture/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
