[blush] Guilty as charged ... But I see them as aspects of the larger issue of how seriously to take these meta-abstractions that make for nice tidy theories but whose relationship to actual business success is unclear.
Sorry, but my response to the ZapFlash was to cringe -- one meta-abstraction that nobody quite understands (SOA) is being justified vis a vis another meta-abstraction that nobody fully uses (the Zachman framework)? I'm not arguing that abstraction is bad or pointless, but the enterprise architecture space (which I now observe from a distance, not really having a stake in which theory or which vendor is "winning" this year) seems to have gone so high up it's run out of oxygen (to flog Spolksy's metaphor http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000018.html ). The people on the ground seem to be asking more more along the lines of the Werner Vogels interview we disccused awhile ago: "Here's how we do it at [big success story], and here's what we've learned about [general principle] in doing so." Someday, sure, it would be useful to worry about the Grand Unification Theory of all this stuff, e.g. the way physics has been worrying about how successful but incompatible theories both somehow manifest a deeper truth. But doing this in the IT architecture space today smells a bit like trying to unify phlogiston chemistry http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phlogiston with Humoralism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_humours . On 6/16/06, Ron Schmelzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Heh, only on *THIS* list could a ZapFlash talking about the abstract nature > of architecture and the application of enterprise architecture somehow get > turned into a discussion of REST and protocols. > > Anyone care to comment on the basic premise of the ZapFlash? Namely that you > can apply the Zachman Framework to SOA and vice-versa? > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/NhFolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/service-orientated-architecture/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
