Re: [service-orientated-architecture] Re: R&J on SOA & the Zachman Framework

[Todd Biske]

It's disappointing to see that people are cringing away from a meaningful discussion on the development of best practices and techniques for widespread (i.e. enterprise) SOA adoption.  Right now, I would say there is a disproportionate amount of case studies that come down to having the right people at the right time.  Unfortunately, that's not something that is easily repeatable.  To keep things moving forward, it's important that we find a way to do so. If we don't, SOA will follow the same path as every other "shiny new thing" coming from IT , and be generally viewed as a failure.    If you're cringing away from a discussion around these topics, then I'd ask, how are you achieving SOA adoption?  How are you ensuring that the strategic plans of the business align with the efforts of IT?  If you're not doing anything about it, that either means that your business is very happy with IT and the organization is operating as a well-oiled machine (in which case, please tell us how you're achieving this nirvana); the business is apathetic toward IT and just accepting the processes for what they are (i.e. simliar to the frustration we all deal with in using our desktop systems); or the business is unhappy with IT, placing the IT staff on very shaky ground.  If it's one of the latter two options, how can we make things better?  If Zachmann is overkill, are there elements of it that are critical?  If SOA is too abstract, where do things need to be made more concrete?   Perhaps my feelings on this are more tied to the fact that I've always preferred the application of technology to the technology itself.  -tb On Jun 17, 2006, at 3:19 PM, patrickdlogan wrote: > Sorry, but my response to the ZapFlash was to cringe -- one > meta-abstraction that nobody quite understands (SOA) is being > justified vis a vis another meta-abstraction that nobody fully uses > (the Zachman framework)... The people on the ground seem to be > asking more more along the lines of the Werner Vogels interview we > discussed awhile ago: "Here's how we do it at [big success story], > and here's what we've learned about [general principle] in doing > so." On these points Michael and I seem to be in complete agreement. Now, back to the HTTP debate... -Patrick __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Computer software Computer aided design software Computer job Soa Service-oriented architecture YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS  Visit your group "service-orientated-architecture" on the web.    To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]    Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___