Sorry, but I'd still like to respond to this one:
On Jun 17, 2006, at 8:51 PM, Eric Newcomer wrote: > > The railroad system was designed to carry people, but it actually > carries more freight. > But both are about carrying and that is the design essential for railroad systems. > Java was designed for use in set top boxes and small devices, and > originally intented for use in servlets and other client side > applications, but it is actually used more for server side > programming. > But both uses apply an OO style and noone questions to use Java that way > The Web was originally intended to be used to share research papers > among academics, but it is used much more for commercial purposes > such as advertising. But it was not intended as a transport protocol (as it already is layered on one) > > After having helped design and develop many applications and > software systems over the years, I can tell you for sure that what > you think people are going to do with technology is almost never > what they actually do in the end. Arguing against what people want > to do with your technology by saying that you intended it for > something else is not usually a good strategy ;-) Right, but doing transport over a transfer protocol is more like doing OO/XML on a relational system. You can do it, but (for OO/XML on relational) the two conflicting data models just get in the way...and rolling a pure OO or XML database is more effective. Cheers, Jan > > Eric > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Jan Algermissen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 9:05:09 AM > Subject: Re: [service-orientated-architecture] Re: R&J on SOA & the > Zachman Framework > > > On Jun 17, 2006, at 9:14 AM, Stefan Tilkov wrote: > > > I'm talking about PURISTS who believe that SQLis not compliant with > > > the relational model (c.f. C.J. Date and the crew > atdbdebunk.com) . > > > Likewise I'm talking about people who argue that HTTP should be > > > used to "transfer" resource representations rather than > "transport" > > > objects and methods. > > I wouldn't really call it puristic if someone argues for using things > for what they've been intended to be used. > > Date and Pascal's struggle BTW is rather different: while there is > massive availability of high quality products and programmers for > working with HTTP Date and Pascal argue for comparatively difficult > extensions to all exsisting RDBMS products and legions of smarter > database designers. > > Hmm...ok, I'd agree that designing a REST based system takes almost a > complete rewiring of an OO brain. > > Jan > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/NhFolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/service-orientated-architecture/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
