--- In [email protected], Eric Newcomer 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Michael and Rob,
> Of course IT is part of the business, and IT culture is part of 
> corporate culture, and it all has to change.  But it is also 
> necessary to focus the change on IT since that's where SOA is 
> meaningful. I think we are all saying the same thing, and it is (as 
> Rob actually said in one of his emails) a false dichotomy to 
> separate IT and corporate culture.  But because SOA is something 
> carried out in IT or by IT, we focus the culture change on that 
> since that is where the organizational changes have the greatest 
> impact.  I think it is just emphasis, not disagreement.

As you touch on, but I thought I'd explicitly state, culture and org 
change needs to occur not just in IT but in other groups as well. And 
that an SO approach is to be applied in other groups, not just IT.

Steve Jones would probably point out that SO has greatest impact when 
first applied to the enterprise as a whole, not when it is isolated 
to IT. Indeed, I think he'd promote that it *must* start that way. As 
such, it is something carried out throughout the enterprise, not just 
within IT.

I tend to agree with Steve that the *biggest* impact is when SO is 
applied to BA to change the enterprise, not just IT. Alas, that's 
clearly a much bigger job and the right person(s) are needed to make 
that happen effectively.

-Rob

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