--- In [email protected], "Kirstan 
Vandersluis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I agree that the *biggest* impact is achieved when the business 
> fully buys in and drives the process.  But from a pragmatic 
> standpoint, think of not only Fortune 2000 companies, but the vast 
> hundreds of thousands of mid-size companies that could benefit from 
> SOA.  I think in only a small percentage of cases will business 
> executives be convinced to drive SOA.

IMO, business executives never drive much of anything. They 
approve/disapprove proposals made by others. :-)

> At SOA World a couple weeks ago, Johan Nordin, CIO at Volvofinans 
> (200 employee finance company for Volvo), one of the featured 
> speakers, scoffed at the notion of a top-down mandate from business 
> executives to drive SOA.  I'm paraphrasing what he said: "I can't 
> wait around for executives to agree and let it flow down.  We 
> wouldn't see it in my lifetime.  We have to drive it from beneath 
> and from the top."

Reasonable. But I think you missed my point a little. I wasn't 
focused on who was driving the effort. Rather, the bigger bang is 
(ostensibly) at the business level, regardless of who drives.
 
> If you can't wait around for business executive support, the 
> question becomes, can you successfully drive SOA from the IT side?  
> I had a short conversation with Anne Manes at JavaOne, asking about 
> the characteristics of the few SOA successes she found.  One 
> company had a surprising level of success where the primary driver 
> was a small number of highly motivated, business-centric IT 
> *architects*.  I was surprised and relieved that an architect could 
> have such a positive impact.  Actually, I wasn't really surprised, 
> but definitely relieved that architects were given credit for this 
> change!

Business-centric is the key, when trying to get the most from SOA and 
applying it to the BA/EA levels.

> IMO, 5+ years from now, with a new wave of MBA's seeping into
> executive management positions with better SOA-aware IT knowledge, 
> SOA will be driven by business executives.  But for now, I think 
> for the vast majority of businesses, it will be the smart, 
> influential, business-centric IT people who will drive SOA.

Let's not forget that IT people are business people! IT is a part of 
the business! :-)

-Rob

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