2008/11/1 Mark Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 4:39 PM, Steve Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 2008/10/31 Mark Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>> On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 1:43 PM, Steve Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> wrote:
>>>> For some reason I have this bizarre thought about people screaming RPC
>>>> at WS-* when people were really doing document passing, it must be
>>>> really terrible when people mislabel what you are doing...
>>>
>>> If people were simply passing documents, you wouldn't have heard (as
>>> m)any complaints from the REST proponents, since document passing -
>>> representational state ("document") transfer ("passing") - is what
>>> it's all about.
>>>
>>> I think I saw perhaps one or two examples of WS-* being used for
>>> document passing. And I saw lots of examples.
>>
>> Not from me you didn't ;)
>
> I don't recall you using many/any examples. A *quick* check of your
> blog turns up nothing either. Can you point me to an example that you
> believe uses document passing?I'm talking about commercial examples, which is where I've mainly seen people use document passing, including using SOAP over JMS and SOAP over email. > >> What this comes down to, and Roy's rant, >> is that lots of people seem unable to use technologies correctly no >> matter how simple people think they are making it. > > Some, sure. It's not "lots" in the grand scheme of things, because > there are at least a few orders of magnitude more who understand the > salient parts well enough to have grown the Web to the size it is > today. But that is _mainly_ down to HTTP rather than an application of REST, as in lots and lots of websites out there don't obey REST principles. The Historical (Hysterical?) Revisionism of saying "All the Web is REST" seems to go against Roy's complaint which is that people are just using HTTP and then claiming it is REST. The VAST majority of the growth of the web has been independent of the application of REST. > >> I'd argue that >> this is because it doesn't guide the abstract thinking enough. > > Seems to work for most people. Define "most". Steve > > Mark. >
