2008/11/1 Mark Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 5:41 AM, Steve Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> Some, sure. It's not "lots" in the grand scheme of things, because >>> there are at least a few orders of magnitude more who understand the >>> salient parts well enough to have grown the Web to the size it is >>> today. >> >> But that is _mainly_ down to HTTP rather than an application of REST, >> as in lots and lots of websites out there don't obey REST principles. >> The Historical (Hysterical?) Revisionism of saying "All the Web is >> REST" seems to go against Roy's complaint which is that people are >> just using HTTP and then claiming it is REST. The VAST majority of >> the growth of the web has been independent of the application of REST. > > Yes, that's my point. Consider that there are millions of developers > who have (unknowingly) mastered REST's "Hypermedia as the engine of > application state" constraint; Ummm so looking at a bunch of airline sites (things I regularly use) I'm not quite seeing them do that. Looking at a bunch of computing manufacturers today the best you can say is that they have parameterised URIs which can be book marked, most appear to be using a server side session to store the information through the process.
"millions of developers" are obeying the hypermedia constraint? I'm assuming that you have no figures to back up that bold assertion. > a constraint which most people coming > from WS-* land still haven't got a handle on. Go figure. Ummm because WS-* isn't a hypermedia approach? Is you implication that people who do WS-* can't understand the myriad of complexities of hypermedia or that people doing WS-* don't use hypermedia? > >>> Seems to work for most people. >> >> Define "most". > > most(a): greatest in quantity, extent, or degree And I'm really looking forward to you quantifying your assertion. > > Mark. Steve >
