On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 4:29 PM, Steve Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 2008/11/2 Mark Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 2:28 PM, Steve Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> "millions of developers" are obeying the hypermedia constraint? I'm >>> assuming that you have no figures to back up that bold assertion. >> >> The only figure I need is this one; >> >> http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~asignori/web-size/ >> >> plus the knowledge that pervasive use of hypermedia is a necessary >> condition for the Web to have reached that size. > > Errr Mark, you do know the difference between the use of hypermedia > and the concept of hypermedia as the engine of state don't you? The > two are not a single thing, I'm surprised you aren't aware of that.
Of course I'm aware of the difference, Steve. But it's immaterial when the links contain sufficient information for the next state in the application state machine to be reached through the reception of a new representation. Like, for example, when they're http links. >> And if you're looking for examples or counter-examples, don't bother >> looking at how individual sites are structured, because that's not >> what yields a "Web". Instead, look at inter-site integration. > > Oh for pities sake, so show me the millions of people who have done > inter-site integration then. Would one suffice? I just visited your blog, and noticed it presented a link to your book's page at InfoQ.com. Well done! >> I have no doubt that anybody able to understand the complexity of WS-* >> has the capacity to understand hypermedia. I just haven't seen many >> reformed WS-*ers who actually do yet. > > Maybe because some people prefer to use the right tools for the job > rather than downing the kool-aid. Come on Steve, it's delicious and refreshing kool-aid, and all the kids are drinking it. Mark.
