On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 18:11, Eric Newcomer <[email protected]> wrote: > Web services started as SOAP
Both some versions of POX and XML-RPC predates SOAP by a few years, and if you want to be anal about it (which you know I want to :) HTTP passing XML and / or HTML around, too. Especially XML-RPC is regarded as web services. > During 2000 a few of us started to propose the use of Web services for > internal integration projects. Hmm, I and lots of others used RSS back in 1999 for similar purposes and other XML formats a few years prior (I remember passing CORBA objects in serialized XML around early 1998 :), even if the earlier RSS formats weren't strictly speaking proper XML. I even remember using HTML packages for simple stuff others used huge amounts of resources through CORBA to do (and yes, enterprise-scale and yes, still ticking away today) going back to 1996, at least. I don't think we can put a date or a year on when these things "started to happen", because it's often a matter of interpretation of very fuzzy lines. > So the answer is that SOA was around before Web services. And Web services > were not intitially designed for, or intended to be used for, SOA based > projects. Yes, SOA has been around for a very long time. Do we dare put a percentage on how many SOA projects out there aren't doing web services, though? The definitions goes something like "a software system designed to support interoperable machine-to-machine interaction over a network", and that really puts up a question mark on what we really should regard as a web service in this discussion, unless we specifically mean "big Web Service" as defined by W3C, MicroSoft, Sun, et al through SOAP-stacks. Not sure the OP meant that. Maybe? > I think > it's clear enough that Web services, while very useful and important > technologies, did not achieve all of their original goals. Given the movement, evolvement and development of the intertubes I think your assertion is quite premature. :) Alex -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Project Wrangler, SOA, Information Alchemist, UX, RESTafarian, Topic Maps ------------------------------------------ http://shelter.nu/blog/ --------
