My thoughts exactly. I'm the originator of this post, and I guess I should
have been more specific from the beginning. I would like and API, through
which I can use a simple tag, like print qq, to output HTML data to a web
page. Peter hit the nail on the head when he said that the products
(templates, API's) available today are quite difficult to use and are not
for the mainstream. I am fairly familiar with Java, however I am NOT a guru,
but I grow to love the language more and more daily. I would like a way for
someone, who is new to java, to be able to easily post dynamic data to there
web(extranet, intranet, ecommerce, business to business VPN ecommerce) page
quickly and efficiently, like Perl has the ability to do. I learned the
fundamentals of Perl in about two weeks. I've been working with Java for six
months and have yet to be able to post dynamic web data in an efficient
manner without MUCH laborious out.println("...") coding.

So I POST this question again....in a different light. How difficult would
it be to come up with a 100% pure java API which would encompass fundamental
HTML(<head><body><table> would be a great start) and then make calls to this
API just like we do with every other darn OO language. Or, how about we
store the data in a txt file, something in the java.io package to just read
the entire file into the script, and then output that to the web? Great
idea.

If anyone knows how to do this, please let me know.



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-----Original Message-----
From: Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tuesday, August 10, 1999 6:02 AM
Subject: Re: out.println(".....");? "EASY is the word!!!"


>>I have tought that webmacro, freemaker etc. are too complex to be used
>>by me.
>
>That's exactly my point!!!! Why can't these stuff be a bit easier ? Things
>dont have to be complicated to be used. Instead of offering alternatives,
>most of you guys just keep pushing your webmacro, jsp, freemarker cr*p down
>our throats. The strangest thing is that, most of these template tools web
>sites dont provide easy AND workable examples on their functionality. Most
>are just plain ads coupled with convoluted examples and the infamous Hello
>world servlet. Please .......
>
>So when people like yours truly complaint on how complicated they are to
>use, then came forth those derogatory remarks such as "unreformed perl
>programmer", "messy coder" etc-etc ....... well go ahead and make yourself
>feel superior by trashing out at us .......
>
>I really hope that in the future, servlet development will not be so
painful
>and messy as it is at the present.
>
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