Okay, try your best to research the problem such as in your e-mail say
things like, after working on this for 3 days by trying a, b, c, and d I
keep getting f.... or after consulting with this engineer and that web site
I applied a certain set of techniques and I keep getting the wrong results.
Don't ask a NAKED question... put some clothes on ... look professional so
you can get a professional response.

Also, on the flip side let's try to be a little more welcoming toward
questions.  If you don't have anything nice to say then simply don't
respond.  (shameless marketing warning) Let's make SUN's products as user
and developer friendly as possible (end-shameless marketing warning).

-----Original Message-----
From: Daniel Lynn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 11:19 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Why the people are so rude ?


ok, I really hate myself for escalating this, but how do you tell if someone
did look hard for stuff and just didn't find it? And does your boss let you
go
out to the bookstore whenever you're unsure of something? Or will he buy
every
book written on Java for you? I know mine won't. And how long is long enough
to
look? I just posted a question about detecting if Javascript was turned on
in a
browser thatI've spent days trying to figure out in java servlets, jsp, and
php... for all I know it could be in "O'reily's book of browser programming"
or
something else I never heard of and I just didn't come accross it.

Anyway, point is that it's hard to say wether someone has really put in time
or
not and, since unneeded messages are so unwelcome here (as I was so
vehemently
assured of when I asked a perl question), perhaps it would be a better
course
of action for the simplest of questions of simply be ignored. That way
they'll
get the hint and at the sametime, noone has to wade through flames.

Just an idea. Oh, and if someone abuses the list with too many poor
questions,
I'm guessing we can count on the moderator to take care of it, since,
ultimately, there's nothing we can do to the poster except yell at him.

ok, I'm done now...

-Daniel

T A Flores wrote:

> It is not the people on the list who give the harsh replies that are
> rude.  It is in fact very rude to ask a question without attempting to
> solve your own problem.  As a rule before asking a question one is
> supposed to search the archive or buy a book (well, if you go to the
> bookstore you can read the book for free, even).
>
> Failure to search the archive, ask a very basic question, or generally
> have the list members spoon feed information is the utlimate in
> rudeness.  If you search the archive you will find many who just answer
> questions and never ask. . .  Why? Because we have learned how to
> search the archive and solve our problems.
>
> I have found that to do this job one needs a certain level of
> analytical/critical thinking, creativity, PERSERVERENCE, and patience.
> I don't know about the others, however, I RESENT having to spoon feed
> others information.  It has been said previously if someone hasn't
> earnestly tried to solve their problem then they should not be asking
> the list.  DON'T BE LAZY.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bhushan Bhangale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Wednesday, January 3, 2001 8:38 am
> Subject: Why the people are so rude ?
>
> > Hi All
> >
> > I always see some messages which gives harsh replies like
> >
> > a) go and see the specification
> > b) this is a very basic question and its not a place to ask this
> > type of small questions
> > c) one said that this question is not related to JSP go and send
> > it to basic java forum
> >
> > What i want to say here is this mailing list is to solve each
> > others problems, and if somebody is asking his problem then we
> > should help him. If one don't want to answer then don't but never
> > be rude with him.
> >
> > Also the auto replies which are regularly coming nowadays which is
> > very annoying.
> >
> >
> > Thanks & Regards
> > Bhushan Bhangale
> > Consultant
> > http://www.netacross.com
> > Chequemail.com - a free web based e-mail service that also pays!!!
> > http://www.chequemail.com
> >
> >
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