Of course if you are a 0 then the last 10 scores would be used with the
previous ten scores and the lowest 10 would be used for your current handicap.
So you may end up still a 0 or a 1 not likely a 3
Now if you practice for the next 3 weeks, we can assume you are not just going
to hit balls but actually play a few rounds. If you are practicing and playing
you may actually shoot some rounds below your 0 handicap over the next 3
weeks. Since handicaps are re-calculated every month very few of your 10 high
scores may actually be used to figure your index.
Since most people only play 2 times a week or less, then to get your 3 handicap
you would have to not practice, just play cold for at least 2 1/2 months. You
take 2 1/2 months off & I would be surprised if you are are a 0 even with 3
weeks of practice.
George Huson
ByGeorge Custom Clubs
--- On Wed, 8/5/09, Robert Devino <robertdev...@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Robert Devino <robertdev...@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: ShopTalk: KZG Gemini driver heads
To: ShopTalk@mail.msen.com
Date: Wednesday, August 5, 2009, 3:32 PM
Yes Tom I have been to school for golf management and know exactly how an index
in calculated. That's why I know they are all so inaccurate as to be useless.
Example. Right now if I took my last ten scores I would be playing to about a
3. That's no practice time in between and more often than not going from the
car to the tee with just a little putting practice. So lets say I get into a
tournament that is 3 weeks away and I go out and practice to prepare for that
tournament 3 times each week. Do you really think my index with no practice
time is a good reflection of my ability after some serious prep work? I am not
sand bagging my rounds now just not practicing so I am not as consistent as I
would be with practice. That could take 2 -3 strokes off easily. Now instead
of playing to a 3 I am around a 0 or should be but my card says 3. with out
doing anything wrong or illegal I just took the system for 3 strokes. Even if
I did this again
and they brought into play the T factor for my index, if I go back to playing
rounds with no practice in between my index would self adjust back up to the 3.
Sincerely,
Robert Devino
14252 Delano St.
Van Nuys, Ca. 91401
(818) 908-1691
From: Tom Flanagan <tflans...@hotmail.com>
To: shoptalk <shoptalk@mail.msen.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2009 10:06:15 AM
Subject: RE: ShopTalk: KZG Gemini driver heads
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Golfers don't have a handicap per se. They have a GHIN - a golf handicap index
number. The course handicap is derived by applying the index against the
published slope chart of the course. The index is derived from a formula that
uses the lowest ten of the past 20 scores. A "temporary handicap" is calculated
with 5 posted scores. I can provide the formula if you'd like but its really
not necessary for purposes of this discussion.
So a "10" isn't a 10 at every course. Suppose a golfer's index is 8.6 - 9.4.
He's a 10 handicapper at a course with a slope of 124. But suppose he plays a
course with a slope of 112. He's a 9 there. Or if he plays at a course sloped
at 142 he's a 12.
In order to control to some extent, baggers, maximum scores allowed are part of
the system. For example, golfers with handcaps from 10 through 19 may post no
more than a 7 on any hole. So if a guy makes a 10 on a hole in competition, the
score is counted for the tournament but no more than 7 is posted for handicap
purposes. The process is called "ESC" or Equitable Stroke Control.
There's no doubt that guys can and will cheat and that's a shame. But you
argument about slopes is and handicap is totally incorrect. And by the way
"course rating" has nothing to do with handicap. A course rated at 72 say, is
meaningless to the handicap system. That's just the number that a theorectical
scratch golfer with shoot on a theoretical "perfect" day.
As for courses maturing - USGA or affiliated associations re-rate courses on
request. Our course here has be re-rated a couple times over the past dozen
years.
You may want to take a look at USGA's site, or SCGA or NCGA or whatever
association you like to learn about what handicapping and rating courses is all
about. You can simply by writing obtain a copy of USGA's "The Handicap System
Reference Guide". It's clearly written and easy to understand.
TFlan
Oh and BTW; "handicap" is one word
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 01:11:33 -0700
From: robertdev...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: ShopTalk: KZG Gemini driver heads
To: ShopTalk@mail.msen.com
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First of all to all you guys talking about KZG the gemini was a faulty head
from the start. They have no more left so they won't replace it any
more. For any one that care Steve won his unemployment lawsuit with her and
all the crap she spread around trhe industry about him having quit was a load
of pure bull.
Now for this handy cap thing. when a course is rated for slope and course
rating it is done at a certain distance. A specified yardage for the course.
the trees are young and not too tall a lot of the times. The rough is young as
well and as developed and narley in a lot of cases. Then the course grow a
little older and the trees mature and cut off corners and the thatch in the
rough get all tangley. Teh course gets tougher to play as it matures. Tehn
you have the guys doing the course setup in the moring putting the red flag up
in fron of the green and for some reason they move the tee box forwaard as
well. Do this on a few holes and you can take several hundred yarsds off the
courses overall distance that the slope and course ratings are based on. This
will have an effect on the handicaps for all that play there on a regular
basis. We have a course here that has an alternative tee box for one of the par
5s they use once in a while
that adds almost 75 yards to the whole. You think that wouldn't change the
slope of the course sure it would. Or was the course originally sloped with
that tee box and now it's playing easier than the registered slope scewing
everyone handi cap on a regular basis?
Now add in the human factor of gimmes, mall it agains, pick and place in the
middle of the summer sand baggers and the ones that just don't know the rules
and ground there clubs in hazards as well as other violations like taking a
free drop from a none paved cart path, and what do you really have????
A system that is so subjective that it's not worth a dime.
If I were to play Tiger I would first of not bet more thanI could afford to
loose play him straight up and hope he shoots one of his 78s. If he beats me
which he probably would (unless he hits his driver like he did at the British
Open) He will have beaton me because he deserved too. He works harder at than I
do! (and by the way once you get under par your a + handy cap numbner not a -
number. Just so we don't get people confused.) Basically tournaments should be
broken up by age brackets, Handi caps should be tossed and if you want to win
so badly work at it. I don't care how old you get (too a point) Put for doe
and work on the short game. You will even out with the young whipper snappers,
Hell I hit 50 this year I am feeling it. Handy cap systems can't be kept with
any integrity and should be used.
Now I know there are some folks out there that actually play by the rules but
they are still subjecdt to course set up errors. I would bet that about 80% of
the handi caps out there are off by 3 to 4 strokes on the low side.try this the
next time you play with some one new. Just for kicks try to get them to show
you their handi cap card. If you play on a course that has a slope of 118 to
124 a 10 handi capper should play the course at around 12 over. See what he
really shoots. I bet you it would be around 15 to 16 over!
Sincerely,
Robert Devino
14252 Delano St.
Van Nuys, Ca. 91401
(818) 908-1691
From: "ontargetg...@comcast.net" <ontargetg...@comcast.net>
To: ShopTalk@mail.msen.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2009 11:49:19 AM
Subject: Re: ShopTalk: KZG Gemini driver heads
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KZG only thinks of themselves. I stop doing business with them 6 years ago.
Bang is another one that I flushed down the toilet.
Pat On Target Golf
----- Original Message -----
From: "Taylor Bruce" <beeteeg...@verizon.net>
To: ShopTalk@mail.msen.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2009 11:51:58 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: ShopTalk: KZG Gemini driver heads
I had a 355 Gemini 1 break and now I can't get anyone to answer the phone or
replay to an email. They had some great products but I could not deal with
their business model.
-bt
___________
Bee Tee Golf
Bruce Taylor
On Aug 4, 2009, at 11:33 AM, Robert Devino wrote:
The Gemini 2, all of them broke just about and the witch knew they were going
too and she sold them to you guys any way. Why any one does business with her
I will never know????
Sincerely,
Robert Devino
14252 Delano St.
Van Nuys, Ca. 91401
(818) 908-1691
From: Don M <d...@mcluckie.net>
To: shopt...@mail.msen.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2009 6:04:14 AM
Subject: ShopTalk: KZG Gemini driver heads
Robert or anyone,
Which Gemini 460 driver head was prone to breakage, the "I" or the "II"?
-Don M
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