Golfers don't have a handicap per se. They have a GHIN - a golf
handicap index number. The course handicap is derived by applying
the index against the published slope chart of the course. The
index is derived from a formula that uses the lowest ten of the
past 20 scores. A "temporary handicap" is calculated with 5 posted
scores. I can provide the formula if you'd like but its really not
necessary for purposes of this discussion.
So a "10" isn't a 10 at every course. Suppose a golfer's index is
8.6 - 9.4. He's a 10 handicapper at a course with a slope of 124.
But suppose he plays a course with a slope of 112. He's a 9 there.
Or if he plays at a course sloped at 142 he's a 12.
In order to control to some extent, baggers, maximum scores allowed
are part of the system. For example, golfers with handcaps from 10
through 19 may post no more than a 7 on any hole. So if a guy makes
a 10 on a hole in competition, the score is counted for the
tournament but no more than 7 is posted for handicap purposes. The
process is called "ESC" or Equitable Stroke Control.
There's no doubt that guys can and will cheat and that's a shame.
But you argument about slopes is and handicap is totally incorrect.
And by the way "course rating" has nothing to do with handicap. A
course rated at 72 say, is meaningless to the handicap system.
That's just the number that a theorectical scratch golfer with
shoot on a theoretical "perfect" day.
As for courses maturing - USGA or affiliated associations re-rate
courses on request. Our course here has be re-rated a couple times
over the past dozen years.
You may want to take a look at USGA's site, or SCGA or NCGA or
whatever association you like to learn about what handicapping and
rating courses is all about. You can simply by writing obtain a
copy of USGA's "The Handicap System Reference Guide". It's clearly
written and easy to understand.
TFlan
Oh and BTW; "handicap" is one word
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 01:11:33 -0700
From: robertdev...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: ShopTalk: KZG Gemini driver heads
To: ShopTalk@mail.msen.com
First of all to all you guys talking about KZG the gemini was a
faulty head from the start. They have no more left so they won't
replace it any more. For any one that care Steve won his
unemployment lawsuit with her and all the crap she spread around
trhe industry about him having quit was a load of pure bull.
Now for this handy cap thing. when a course is rated for slope and
course rating it is done at a certain distance. A specified
yardage for the course. the trees are young and not too tall a lot
of the times. The rough is young as well and as developed and
narley in a lot of cases. Then the course grow a little older and
the trees mature and cut off corners and the thatch in the rough
get all tangley. Teh course gets tougher to play as it matures.
Tehn you have the guys doing the course setup in the moring putting
the red flag up in fron of the green and for some reason they move
the tee box forwaard as well. Do this on a few holes and you can
take several hundred yarsds off the courses overall distance that
the slope and course ratings are based on. This will have an effect
on the handicaps for all that play there on a regular basis. We
have a course here that has an alternative tee box for
one of the par 5s they use once in a while that adds almost 75
yards to the whole. You think that wouldn't change the slope of
the course sure it would. Or was the course originally sloped with
that tee box and now it's playing easier than the registered slope
scewing everyone handi cap on a regular basis?
Now add in the human factor of gimmes, mall it agains, pick and
place in the middle of the summer sand baggers and the ones that
just don't know the rules and ground there clubs in hazards as well
as other violations like taking a free drop from a none paved cart
path, and what do you really have????
A system that is so subjective that it's not worth a dime.
If I were to play Tiger I would first of not bet more thanI could
afford to loose play him straight up and hope he shoots one of his
78s. If he beats me which he probably would (unless he hits his
driver like he did at the British Open) He will have beaton me
because he deserved too. He works harder at than I do! (and by the
way once you get under par your a + handy cap numbner not a -
number. Just so we don't get people confused.) Basically
tournaments should be broken up by age brackets, Handi caps should
be tossed and if you want to win so badly work at it. I don't care
how old you get (too a point) Put for doe and work on the short
game. You will even out with the young whipper snappers, Hell I hit
50 this year I am feeling it. Handy cap systems can't be kept with
any integrity and should be used.
Now I know there are some folks out there that actually play by the
rules but they are still subjecdt to course set up errors. I would
bet that about 80% of the handi caps out there are off by 3 to 4
strokes on the low side.try this the next time you play with some
one new. Just for kicks try to get them to show you their handi cap
card. If you play on a course that has a slope of 118 to 124 a 10
handi capper should play the course at around 12 over. See what he
really shoots. I bet you it would be around 15 to 16 over!
Sincerely,
Robert Devino
14252 Delano St.
Van Nuys, Ca. 91401
(818) 908-1691
From: "ontargetg...@comcast.net" <ontargetg...@comcast.net>
To: ShopTalk@mail.msen.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2009 11:49:19 AM
Subject: Re: ShopTalk: KZG Gemini driver heads
KZG only thinks of themselves. I stop doing business with them 6
years ago. Bang is another one that I flushed down the toilet.
Pat On Target Golf
----- Original Message -----
From: "Taylor Bruce" <beeteeg...@verizon.net>
To: ShopTalk@mail.msen.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2009 11:51:58 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada
Eastern
Subject: Re: ShopTalk: KZG Gemini driver heads
I had a 355 Gemini 1 break and now I can't get anyone to answer the
phone or replay to an email. They had some great products but I
could not deal with their business model.
-bt
___________
Bee Tee Golf
Bruce Taylor
On Aug 4, 2009, at 11:33 AM, Robert Devino wrote:
The Gemini 2, all of them broke just about and the witch knew they
were going too and she sold them to you guys any way. Why any one
does business with her I will never know????
Sincerely,
Robert Devino
14252 Delano St.
Van Nuys, Ca. 91401
(818) 908-1691
From: Don M <d...@mcluckie.net>
To: ShopTalk@mail.msen.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2009 6:04:14 AM
Subject: ShopTalk: KZG Gemini driver heads
Robert or anyone,
Which Gemini 460 driver head was prone to breakage, the "I" or the
"II"?
-Don M
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