@ Andre Cantin
Lies should be set dynamically after the proper swingweight or MOI has been established. One degree can make a difference, especially on the more lofted irons. I have seen old pros thumping the heel of irons on concrete trying to flatten the lie. Many tour pros back in the 1950s-1970s played with considerably flatter and considerably heavier irons than many of today's tour players. Hogan's irons were purported to be about 6* flat. This has been argued but Tom Wishon actually saw some of Hogan's clubs and confirms that they were considerably flatter and heavier<http://www.advancedballstriking.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=3073#p39256> than you'd expect. Golfers will indeed adapt to incorrect lies and that is the problem. Any time you are adapting to your equipment you are introducing a variable that requires compensation and that equates to inconsistency. The idea is to eliminate as many variables as possible. You can compensate for ill-fitting shoes but they'll make you run funny. Same with golf clubs. ________________________________ From: owner-shopt...@mail.msen.com <owner-shopt...@mail.msen.com> on behalf of Andr? Cantin <andre_can...@videotron.ca> Sent: Friday, August 5, 2016 2:14:50 PM To: ShopTalk@mail.msen.com Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Loft/Lie Question @ Davy It gets confusing. So many claims out there. Dynamic lie fitting or ink line drawn to the back of the ball: http://www.golfwrx.com/277293/the-best-way-to-fit-lie-angle/ or lie detector file:///C:/Users/Laptop0001/Downloads/LieDetector.pdf<file:///C:/Users/Laptop0001/AppData/Local/Temp/wlmail1768976332/supfiles58CC2A05/LieDetector.pdf> Does 1 degree really make a difference? https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/shoptalk/conversations/topics/75059 Rumour has it that Trevino would have his irons bent until he was satisfied with the ball flight., TFlan would debate that you hardly encounter a flat lie on the real course. Maltby claims that some golfers adapt to ill fitted lies As Old Schultz used to say: I know nothing, I hear nothing and I see nothing[Open-mouthed smile] From: Davy<mailto:yesd...@hotmail.com> Sent: Friday, August 05, 2016 2:35 PM To: ShopTalk@mail.msen.com<mailto:ShopTalk@mail.msen.com> Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Loft/Lie Question @ Andre Cantin Donald Trump is going to build a wall. Hillary turned over all of her emails. And it was just coincidence that Obama gave Iranians $400 million in francs and euros on a dark runway at the pinnacle of a prisoner release. Always consider the source and then keep the source honest. Allow for honest mistakes as you trust but verify. That said, if you walk into many of the most experienced and qualified golf club shops worldwide, you are likely to see a Mitchell machine. Twenty plus years of using Mitchell have satisfied this clubmaker that the investment was well worth it. In service of full transparency, I don't have a darn thing to do with Mitchell beyond being a purchaser....but on second thought, maybe a call would be in order to reference this message. [:)] -Davy. Date: 08/05/16
