On Nov 10, 2011, at 1:41 PM, Christopher Morrow wrote:

> On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 3:37 PM, Eric Osterweil <eosterw...@verisign.com> 
> wrote:
>> Hey Sriram, Russ, and Jakob,
>> 
>> Thanks for the #s.  I think I get the general notion that adding n updates 
>> per day per prefix equals (n * #prefixes)/1. :)  I guess my question was 
>> kinda vague, sorry.  Upon reexamination, I see that I said "overhead" 
>> without being specific.  Since we can use the updates that are generated 
>> today to measure how much (for example) bandwidth is already needed, can we 
>> calculate how much extra bandwidth universal deployment would mean?  Also, 
>> perhaps this would be most informative in the form of a ratio (i.e. a factor 
>> of $x$ increase).  That way, when people look at events like the one that 
>> the "General Internet Instability" thread that just happened on NANOG refer 
>> to, they can gauge the update amplification that was seen against what 
>> _would_ be seen given bgpsec.  I think this actually kind of came up on 
>> nanog, so it seems like maybe it would be a relevant thing to look at here?
> 
> is the 'bandwidth' of the bgp protocol in the wire an actual concern?
> (at some point the discussion point came up ~1yr or more ago, but was
> discarded as not relevant given circuit sizes and bandwidth from link
> -> RP/RE/etc, so I'm genuinely curious about this)

I think it is just a concrete way to relate the amount of data being consumed 
today, to what may be needed tomorrow.  It isn't so much that 1 byte = good and 
10 bytes = bad.  More that in trying to quantitative compare two behaviors, 
finding a common reference point seems like a good start, imho.  I think a 
meaningful ratio is more useful, but it just needs something to compare.

Eric

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