Elias - love the ideas, definitely got some merit - the initial idea  
wasn't mind though, I'm just echoing Mark Pesce:
http://twitter.com/mpesce/status/974762216

The one issue I can see with using Iran (and China) as examples though  
is that the Government repetitively states it's not like them. But  
definitely, the government needs to be embarrassed and pressured into  
seeing how stupid their idea is. Get the videos made, I'll definitely  
do my bit to promote them.

-- 
Pat

On 26/10/2008, at 7:14 PM, Elias Bizannes wrote:

> That's a brillaint idea Pat - showing how ineffective the controls  
> would be, in a vocal way :)
>
> I've got some contacts in Iran and they could help us broadcast how  
> these 'repressed' people get away with things. It would be a good  
> way to compare the approach to an authoritarian government, whilst  
> at the same time showing how ineffective they are.
>
> We could also  put together short clips having people explain how  
> easy it is to circumvent as well as working examples of  
> exploitations of the holes.
>
> Whilst we can make this content targeted at the public to create  
> awareness, I also (as I am sure others) got some labour hack mates,  
> who can ensure that our work is distributed to the right people  
> within the party. And certainly, I've got some Liberal hack mates  
> who would love to get behind this for the sake of creating a wedge  
> issue.
>
> Clearly, English doesn't work in the form of  letters and e-mails  
> that we have sent to these short-sighted, opportunistic, moronic  
> arse-wipe politicians. Maybe it's time we try another tactic: flat  
> out embaressment, with a touch of crowd sourcing and a tad of social  
> media distribution. At worst, we have a laugh and let the public  
> know our industry is alive and kicking.
>
> Thoughts?
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 11:49 PM, Pat Allan <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> gods.com> wrote:
>
> It took me about six months to get a response to my first letter. The
> second letter (as an email, since I wasn't in Aus) got a slightly
> faster response (just under two months).
>
> http://freelancing-gods.com/posts/internet_censorship_in_australia
> http://freelancing-gods.com/posts/correspondance_on_censorship
>
> Sometimes I consider going to harrass Conroy in person (since he's a
> Victorian senator), but I wonder if that's just a waste of time
> anyway, given his attitude as reported by the media. And whether he'd
> bother responding to an appointment is another matter. Still, it might
> result in a somewhat more human response than the bullshit spin he's
> responding with to the media.
>
> I'm not sure what we can do as a community - seems several of us are
> writing to him, and that's not (visibly) getting us anywhere. ISP
> employees' opinions don't seem to carry much weight either. If it gets
> rolled out (although the trial results give me hope it's just not
> feasible enough even for Conroy to go through with it), then I guess
> we do what we can to publicise how easy it is to circumvent? I'm
> seeing a lot of pissed off tweets lately about the issue... but
> getting a Government to drop a policy they've been so solidly behind
> is far from easy.
>
> Still, suggestions for action welcome :)
>
> --
> Pat
>
> On 26/10/2008, at 6:07 PM, Gary Barber wrote:
>
> >
> > At least you got a response, I have yet to get that for any of the
> > three
> > emails I have sent over the previous months and several phone calls.
> >
> > --
> > Gary Barber
> > Freelance User Interaction Designer/ Information Architect
> >
> > Web: radharc.com.au
> > blog: manwithnoblog.com
> >
> >
> >
> > Elias Bizannes wrote:
> >> This issue really, really, really pisses me off.
> >> http://www.smh.com.au/news/technology/biztech/how-government-tried-to-gag-censor-critics/2008/10/23/1224351430987.html
> >>
> >> I've already written to the minister, and got a lame response:
> >> http://liako.biz/2008/07/internet-censorship-in-australia/
> >>
> >> What's the most effective thing we can do as a community? Surely
> >> something is better than ignoring it...
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > >
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Elias Bizannes
> http://liako.biz
>
> >


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