Another possible action to add to the list: Contact your ISP, tell them you you'll switch to someone else if they take part in Conroy's trial. I just told iiNet that by twitter. No idea if that'll filter through, so I really should send them an email at the very least.
Also, for those looking for some hope: at this stage (ie: unless the gov calls a double dissolution), Labor need both the Greens and Stephen Fielding of Family First to agree on the policy. Greens have been strongly against it (and rarely agree with Fielding), so perhaps we're safe, at least until another election. -- Pat On 27/10/2008, at 6:05 AM, Elias Bizannes wrote: > > Great ideas. So how I see this evolving is > - audience: general consumer > - method: short, entertaining clips, content and merchandise > - goal: communicate the following messages > > 1) It will degrade our already degraded internerz experience --> > impact on consumers, on startups, on the experience > 2) It has the potential for scope creep beyond saving the children --> > impact on privacy, on civil liberties > 3) It technologically will be ineffective in addressing the policy > goal --> impact on treasury, agency resources - likely to make some > developer firm rich at the cost of the tax payers for no good reason > > I think we need to get behind existing efforts like the nocleanfeed > brand (http://nocleanfeed.com/ - thanks @preds) or create our own - > and just channel our energies across the community and media. Common > brand means common message which means more pronounced political > pressure. > > I can't help but think this is a trojan horse policy. Surely, the > minister isn't that stupid to think with 98% public opposition, this > is a smart move. There has to be an ulterior motive such as using it > as a bargaining tool for other policy or appealing to a core > constituency that helps him directly like a campaign donation. > > > > On Oct 27, 10:45 am, Chris Carpenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> To get the normal person interested, we've got to show how it will >> effect them - but make it something they want to read. Perhaps a >> satirical website that shows off how bad the internet experience >> could >> be if the filter came into existence - but with a bit of humour to >> help >> it get traction: >> >> - Show youtube videos that are jumpy, and impossible to watch. >> - Mock music downloads that say "your download should only take a >> couple >> of hours". >> - Details of the Governments new "Won't somebody think of the >> children?" >> fridge magnet. >> - A mock-up of a Government Intranet site that shows all the websites >> someone has visited in the past month. >> - A link to a rival political site, that when clicked says "Blocked >> for >> your safety" ... >> - A video of someone using P2P to get their illegal downloads without >> being blocked. >> >> (I'm not that funny, but you get the idea. Perhaps if we could get >> the >> Chaser team to write it :) >> >> If we can show how it will adversely effect the average internet >> user, >> and still not achieve any of it's goals (apart from the political >> one of >> being perceived to actually be doing something useful) no-one in >> their >> right mind could approve of it. >> >> Nick Holmes a Court wrote: >> >>> Just a thought, if the filter passes into use - wouldn't the >>> government make illegal any websites that have information on how to >>> bypass the filter? Also wouldnt the govt also make it illegal to >>> spread information about this and target individuals and >>> corporations >>> who do so? >> >>> This is obviously a flawed way of thinking, but given the flaws in >>> the >>> thinking that has got the government to this point, it really >>> wouldnt >>> be a suprise. >> >>> It would also be a logical extension that the using/creating of any >>> technology that bypasses the filter would also be made illegal. (Not >>> dissimilar to DMCA in the US). >> >>> I know this directly effects my company and many other tech >>> companies. >> >>> While im sure we all strongly agree with Gilmores law - /"The >>> internet >>> interprets censorship as damage and routes around it."/ - and that >>> gives us some confidence. - it seems pretty scary that our >>> government >>> might turn a large percentage of its otherwise law abiding >>> population >>> into criminals. >> >>> The immediate question is how do you make Joe Public care? And, >>> how do >>> you get mainstream media to care? >> >>> Maybe there is something to learn from the anonymous/anti- >>> scientology >>> movement, maybe this is something anonymous could be steered to care >>> about if we targeted their channels. Anonymous delivered in both >>> getting media attention and simplifying the scientology message into >>> something the public is happy to talk about. >> >>> Either way im sure we are all on the same page that this filter must >>> not be passed into use - once this is in, we could speculate that >>> the governement would never give it up. >> >>> /"One of the greatest delusions in the world is the hope that the >>> evils in this world are to be cured by legislation." - Thomas B. >>> Reed / >>> // >>> /"Once fully enslaved, no nation, state, city of this earth ever >>> afterward resumes its liberty."/ - Walt Whitman >> >>> On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 11:35 PM, Pat Allan <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> gods.com >>> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: >> >>> Elias - love the ideas, definitely got some merit - the initial >>> idea wasn't mind though, I'm just echoing Mark Pesce: >>> http://twitter.com/mpesce/status/974762216 >> >>> The one issue I can see with using Iran (and China) as examples >>> though is that the Government repetitively states it's not like >>> them. But definitely, the government needs to be embarrassed and >>> pressured into seeing how stupid their idea is. Get the videos >>> made, I'll definitely do my bit to promote them. >> >>> -- >>> Pat >> >>> On 26/10/2008, at 7:14 PM, Elias Bizannes wrote: >> >>>> That's a brillaint idea Pat - showing how ineffective the >>>> controls would be, in a vocal way :) >> >>>> I've got some contacts in Iran and they could help us broadcast >>>> how these 'repressed' people get away with things. It would >>>> be a >>>> good way to compare the approach to an authoritarian >>>> government, >>>> whilst at the same time showing how ineffective they are. >> >>>> We could also put together short clips having people explain >>>> how >>>> easy it is to circumvent as well as working examples >>>> of exploitations of the holes. >> >>>> Whilst we can make this content targeted at the public to >>>> create >>>> awareness, I also (as I am sure others) got some labour hack >>>> mates, who can ensure that our work is distributed to the right >>>> people within the party. And certainly, I've got some Liberal >>>> hack mates who would love to get behind this for the sake of >>>> creating a wedge issue. >> >>>> Clearly, English doesn't work in the form of letters and e- >>>> mails >>>> that we have sent to these short-sighted, opportunistic, >>>> moronic >>>> arse-wipe politicians. Maybe it's time we try another tactic: >>>> flat out embaressment, with a touch of crowd sourcing and a tad >>>> of social media distribution. At worst, we have a laugh and let >>>> the public know our industry is alive and kicking. >> >>>> Thoughts? >> >>>> On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 11:49 PM, Pat Allan >>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> gods.com>> wrote: >> >>>> It took me about six months to get a response to my first >>>> letter. The >>>> second letter (as an email, since I wasn't in Aus) got a >>>> slightly >>>> faster response (just under two months). >> >>>> http://freelancing-gods.com/posts/internet_censorship_in_australia >>>> http://freelancing-gods.com/posts/correspondance_on_censorship >> >>>> Sometimes I consider going to harrass Conroy in person >>>> (since >>>> he's a >>>> Victorian senator), but I wonder if that's just a waste >>>> of time >>>> anyway, given his attitude as reported by the media. And >>>> whether he'd >>>> bother responding to an appointment is another matter. >>>> Still, >>>> it might >>>> result in a somewhat more human response than the bullshit >>>> spin he's >>>> responding with to the media. >> >>>> I'm not sure what we can do as a community - seems >>>> several of >>>> us are >>>> writing to him, and that's not (visibly) getting us >>>> anywhere. ISP >>>> employees' opinions don't seem to carry much weight either. >>>> If it gets >>>> rolled out (although the trial results give me hope it's >>>> just not >>>> feasible enough even for Conroy to go through with it), >>>> then >>>> I guess >>>> we do what we can to publicise how easy it is to >>>> circumvent? I'm >>>> seeing a lot of pissed off tweets lately about the >>>> issue... but >>>> getting a Government to drop a policy they've been so >>>> solidly >>>> behind >>>> is far from easy. >> >>>> Still, suggestions for action welcome :) >> >>>> -- >>>> Pat >> >>>> On 26/10/2008, at 6:07 PM, Gary Barber wrote: >> >>>> > At least you got a response, I have yet to get that for >>>> any >>>> of the >>>> > three >>>> > emails I have sent over the previous months and several >>>> phone calls. >> >>>> > -- >>>> > Gary Barber >>>> > Freelance User Interaction Designer/ Information >>>> Architect >> >>>> > Web: radharc.com.au <http://radharc.com.au/> >>>> > blog: manwithnoblog.com <http://manwithnoblog.com/> >> >>>> > Elias Bizannes wrote: >>>> >> This issue really, really, really pisses me off. >> >>>> >>>> http://www.smh.com.au/news/technology/biztech/how-government-tried-to >>>> ... >> >>>> >> I've already written to the minister, and got a lame >>>> response: >>>> >>http://liako.biz/2008/07/internet-censorship-in- >>>> australia/ >> >>>> >> What's the most effective thing we can do as a >>>> community? >>>> Surely >>>> >> something is better than ignoring it... >> >>>> -- >>>> Elias Bizannes >>>> http://liako.biz<http://liako.biz/> > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Silicon Beach Australia" group. 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