Great ideas. So how I see this evolving is - audience: general consumer - method: short, entertaining clips, content and merchandise - goal: communicate the following messages
1) It will degrade our already degraded internerz experience --> impact on consumers, on startups, on the experience 2) It has the potential for scope creep beyond saving the children --> impact on privacy, on civil liberties 3) It technologically will be ineffective in addressing the policy goal --> impact on treasury, agency resources - likely to make some developer firm rich at the cost of the tax payers for no good reason I think we need to get behind existing efforts like the nocleanfeed brand (http://nocleanfeed.com/ - thanks @preds) or create our own - and just channel our energies across the community and media. Common brand means common message which means more pronounced political pressure. I can't help but think this is a trojan horse policy. Surely, the minister isn't that stupid to think with 98% public opposition, this is a smart move. There has to be an ulterior motive such as using it as a bargaining tool for other policy or appealing to a core constituency that helps him directly like a campaign donation. On Oct 27, 10:45 am, Chris Carpenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > To get the normal person interested, we've got to show how it will > effect them - but make it something they want to read. Perhaps a > satirical website that shows off how bad the internet experience could > be if the filter came into existence - but with a bit of humour to help > it get traction: > > - Show youtube videos that are jumpy, and impossible to watch. > - Mock music downloads that say "your download should only take a couple > of hours". > - Details of the Governments new "Won't somebody think of the children?" > fridge magnet. > - A mock-up of a Government Intranet site that shows all the websites > someone has visited in the past month. > - A link to a rival political site, that when clicked says "Blocked for > your safety" ... > - A video of someone using P2P to get their illegal downloads without > being blocked. > > (I'm not that funny, but you get the idea. Perhaps if we could get the > Chaser team to write it :) > > If we can show how it will adversely effect the average internet user, > and still not achieve any of it's goals (apart from the political one of > being perceived to actually be doing something useful) no-one in their > right mind could approve of it. > > Nick Holmes a Court wrote: > > > Just a thought, if the filter passes into use - wouldn't the > > government make illegal any websites that have information on how to > > bypass the filter? Also wouldnt the govt also make it illegal to > > spread information about this and target individuals and corporations > > who do so? > > > This is obviously a flawed way of thinking, but given the flaws in the > > thinking that has got the government to this point, it really wouldnt > > be a suprise. > > > It would also be a logical extension that the using/creating of any > > technology that bypasses the filter would also be made illegal. (Not > > dissimilar to DMCA in the US). > > > I know this directly effects my company and many other tech companies. > > > While im sure we all strongly agree with Gilmores law - /"The internet > > interprets censorship as damage and routes around it."/ - and that > > gives us some confidence. - it seems pretty scary that our government > > might turn a large percentage of its otherwise law abiding population > > into criminals. > > > The immediate question is how do you make Joe Public care? And, how do > > you get mainstream media to care? > > > Maybe there is something to learn from the anonymous/anti-scientology > > movement, maybe this is something anonymous could be steered to care > > about if we targeted their channels. Anonymous delivered in both > > getting media attention and simplifying the scientology message into > > something the public is happy to talk about. > > > Either way im sure we are all on the same page that this filter must > > not be passed into use - once this is in, we could speculate that > > the governement would never give it up. > > > /"One of the greatest delusions in the world is the hope that the > > evils in this world are to be cured by legislation." - Thomas B. Reed / > > // > > /"Once fully enslaved, no nation, state, city of this earth ever > > afterward resumes its liberty."/ - Walt Whitman > > > On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 11:35 PM, Pat Allan <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: > > > Elias - love the ideas, definitely got some merit - the initial > > idea wasn't mind though, I'm just echoing Mark Pesce: > > http://twitter.com/mpesce/status/974762216 > > > The one issue I can see with using Iran (and China) as examples > > though is that the Government repetitively states it's not like > > them. But definitely, the government needs to be embarrassed and > > pressured into seeing how stupid their idea is. Get the videos > > made, I'll definitely do my bit to promote them. > > > -- > > Pat > > > On 26/10/2008, at 7:14 PM, Elias Bizannes wrote: > > >> That's a brillaint idea Pat - showing how ineffective the > >> controls would be, in a vocal way :) > > >> I've got some contacts in Iran and they could help us broadcast > >> how these 'repressed' people get away with things. It would be a > >> good way to compare the approach to an authoritarian government, > >> whilst at the same time showing how ineffective they are. > > >> We could also put together short clips having people explain how > >> easy it is to circumvent as well as working examples > >> of exploitations of the holes. > > >> Whilst we can make this content targeted at the public to create > >> awareness, I also (as I am sure others) got some labour hack > >> mates, who can ensure that our work is distributed to the right > >> people within the party. And certainly, I've got some Liberal > >> hack mates who would love to get behind this for the sake of > >> creating a wedge issue. > > >> Clearly, English doesn't work in the form of letters and e-mails > >> that we have sent to these short-sighted, opportunistic, moronic > >> arse-wipe politicians. Maybe it's time we try another tactic: > >> flat out embaressment, with a touch of crowd sourcing and a tad > >> of social media distribution. At worst, we have a laugh and let > >> the public know our industry is alive and kicking. > > >> Thoughts? > > >> On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 11:49 PM, Pat Allan > >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: > > >> It took me about six months to get a response to my first > >> letter. The > >> second letter (as an email, since I wasn't in Aus) got a slightly > >> faster response (just under two months). > > >> http://freelancing-gods.com/posts/internet_censorship_in_australia > >> http://freelancing-gods.com/posts/correspondance_on_censorship > > >> Sometimes I consider going to harrass Conroy in person (since > >> he's a > >> Victorian senator), but I wonder if that's just a waste of time > >> anyway, given his attitude as reported by the media. And > >> whether he'd > >> bother responding to an appointment is another matter. Still, > >> it might > >> result in a somewhat more human response than the bullshit > >> spin he's > >> responding with to the media. > > >> I'm not sure what we can do as a community - seems several of > >> us are > >> writing to him, and that's not (visibly) getting us anywhere. ISP > >> employees' opinions don't seem to carry much weight either. > >> If it gets > >> rolled out (although the trial results give me hope it's just not > >> feasible enough even for Conroy to go through with it), then > >> I guess > >> we do what we can to publicise how easy it is to circumvent? I'm > >> seeing a lot of pissed off tweets lately about the issue... but > >> getting a Government to drop a policy they've been so solidly > >> behind > >> is far from easy. > > >> Still, suggestions for action welcome :) > > >> -- > >> Pat > > >> On 26/10/2008, at 6:07 PM, Gary Barber wrote: > > >> > At least you got a response, I have yet to get that for any > >> of the > >> > three > >> > emails I have sent over the previous months and several > >> phone calls. > > >> > -- > >> > Gary Barber > >> > Freelance User Interaction Designer/ Information Architect > > >> > Web: radharc.com.au <http://radharc.com.au/> > >> > blog: manwithnoblog.com <http://manwithnoblog.com/> > > >> > Elias Bizannes wrote: > >> >> This issue really, really, really pisses me off. > > >> > >> http://www.smh.com.au/news/technology/biztech/how-government-tried-to... > > >> >> I've already written to the minister, and got a lame response: > >> >>http://liako.biz/2008/07/internet-censorship-in-australia/ > > >> >> What's the most effective thing we can do as a community? > >> Surely > >> >> something is better than ignoring it... > > >> -- > >> Elias Bizannes > >> http://liako.biz<http://liako.biz/> --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Silicon Beach Australia" group. 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