Sure, but if you are going to be circumnavigating the filter for illegal purposes, the illegality of actually doing the bypassing is academic.
---------------------------------------------- Myles Eftos Mobile: +61-409-293-183 MadPilot Productions URL: http://www.madpilot.com.au <http://www.madpilot.com.au/> Phone: +618-6424-8234 Fax: +618-9467-6289 Try our time tracking system: 88 Miles! http://www.88miles.net <http://www.88miles.net/> _____ From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nick Holmes a Court Sent: Sunday, 26 October 2008 22:25 To: [email protected] Subject: [SiliconBeach] Re: ISP filtering Just a thought, if the filter passes into use - wouldn't the government make illegal any websites that have information on how to bypass the filter? Also wouldnt the govt also make it illegal to spread information about this and target individuals and corporations who do so? This is obviously a flawed way of thinking, but given the flaws in the thinking that has got the government to this point, it really wouldnt be a suprise. It would also be a logical extension that the using/creating of any technology that bypasses the filter would also be made illegal. (Not dissimilar to DMCA in the US). I know this directly effects my company and many other tech companies. While im sure we all strongly agree with Gilmores law - "The internet interprets censorship as damage and routes around it." - and that gives us some confidence. - it seems pretty scary that our government might turn a large percentage of its otherwise law abiding population into criminals. The immediate question is how do you make Joe Public care? And, how do you get mainstream media to care? Maybe there is something to learn from the anonymous/anti-scientology movement, maybe this is something anonymous could be steered to care about if we targeted their channels. Anonymous delivered in both getting media attention and simplifying the scientology message into something the public is happy to talk about. Either way im sure we are all on the same page that this filter must not be passed into use - once this is in, we could speculate that the governement would never give it up. "One of the greatest delusions in the world is the hope that the evils in this world are to be cured by legislation." - Thomas B. Reed "Once fully enslaved, no nation, state, city of this earth ever afterward resumes its liberty." - Walt Whitman On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 11:35 PM, Pat Allan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Elias - love the ideas, definitely got some merit - the initial idea wasn't mind though, I'm just echoing Mark Pesce: http://twitter.com/mpesce/status/974762216 The one issue I can see with using Iran (and China) as examples though is that the Government repetitively states it's not like them. But definitely, the government needs to be embarrassed and pressured into seeing how stupid their idea is. Get the videos made, I'll definitely do my bit to promote them. -- Pat On 26/10/2008, at 7:14 PM, Elias Bizannes wrote: That's a brillaint idea Pat - showing how ineffective the controls would be, in a vocal way :) I've got some contacts in Iran and they could help us broadcast how these 'repressed' people get away with things. It would be a good way to compare the approach to an authoritarian government, whilst at the same time showing how ineffective they are. We could also put together short clips having people explain how easy it is to circumvent as well as working examples of exploitations of the holes. Whilst we can make this content targeted at the public to create awareness, I also (as I am sure others) got some labour hack mates, who can ensure that our work is distributed to the right people within the party. And certainly, I've got some Liberal hack mates who would love to get behind this for the sake of creating a wedge issue. Clearly, English doesn't work in the form of letters and e-mails that we have sent to these short-sighted, opportunistic, moronic arse-wipe politicians. Maybe it's time we try another tactic: flat out embaressment, with a touch of crowd sourcing and a tad of social media distribution. At worst, we have a laugh and let the public know our industry is alive and kicking. Thoughts? On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 11:49 PM, Pat Allan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It took me about six months to get a response to my first letter. The second letter (as an email, since I wasn't in Aus) got a slightly faster response (just under two months). http://freelancing-gods.com/posts/internet_censorship_in_australia http://freelancing-gods.com/posts/correspondance_on_censorship Sometimes I consider going to harrass Conroy in person (since he's a Victorian senator), but I wonder if that's just a waste of time anyway, given his attitude as reported by the media. And whether he'd bother responding to an appointment is another matter. Still, it might result in a somewhat more human response than the bullshit spin he's responding with to the media. I'm not sure what we can do as a community - seems several of us are writing to him, and that's not (visibly) getting us anywhere. ISP employees' opinions don't seem to carry much weight either. If it gets rolled out (although the trial results give me hope it's just not feasible enough even for Conroy to go through with it), then I guess we do what we can to publicise how easy it is to circumvent? I'm seeing a lot of pissed off tweets lately about the issue... but getting a Government to drop a policy they've been so solidly behind is far from easy. Still, suggestions for action welcome :) -- Pat On 26/10/2008, at 6:07 PM, Gary Barber wrote: > > At least you got a response, I have yet to get that for any of the > three > emails I have sent over the previous months and several phone calls. > > -- > Gary Barber > Freelance User Interaction Designer/ Information Architect > > Web: radharc.com.au <http://radharc.com.au/> > blog: manwithnoblog.com <http://manwithnoblog.com/> > > > > Elias Bizannes wrote: >> This issue really, really, really pisses me off. >> http://www.smh.com.au/news/technology/biztech/how-government-tried-to-gag-ce nsor-critics/2008/10/23/1224351430987.html >> >> I've already written to the minister, and got a lame response: >> http://liako.biz/2008/07/internet-censorship-in-australia/ >> >> What's the most effective thing we can do as a community? 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