Schisms within a party work just as well as attacks - divide and conquer. :)
On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 6:54 PM, Pat Allan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm not sure of the value in hassling the Opposition - it already sounds > like they're not fans of the proposed legislation. I think speaking to other > Labor MPs and Senators is where the real value is, because Conroy's not > going to back down to the Liberals, but he might to his colleagues. > Also, it seems Xenophon's a fan of the filter - he's pushing for it to > block out overseas gambling sites. > > All this said, I just read about politics, I'm not involved in it, so what > I'm thinking could be completely off the mark :) > > -- > Pat > > On 27/10/2008, at 4:06 PM, Myles Eftos wrote: > > Repost from the same discussion we are having on the Australian Web > Industry Association list: > > > Just had a chat with a guy at my Uncle's (Sentator Chris Ellison) office > about people to target an possible actions to take. The following are the > opposition ministers that would be worth talking to (F2F if possible) > > Nick Minchin (SA) - Shadow for the digital economy Eric Betts (Tas) - > Shadow Minister for Innovation, Industry, Science and Research Steven Troboe > - Shadow Minister for Small Business, Tourism and the Arts > > It might be worth trying to talk to Julia Bishop and Joe Hockey > > Nick Xenophon would also be a good person to target, as he like to block > things :) > > We should also as an association contact WAIA, and chat to them about their > stance - and also to get some actual concrete numbers - I'm sure they will > know people how were involved in the research that has been done. > > Finally, getting in contact with people involved in the roll outs in the > UK, NZ etc to find out what speed implications they have (They have an > optional opt-in system though). > > I guess it comes down to how far we as an association we want to take it. > End of the day, petitions and letters are good, but directly contacting > politicians with some real information is the only way to make a change. > > Oh, and the other thing he said was talk to the big players (News Limited, > Fairfax etc) and find out how it will impact they business - basically the > more impact we can show to Australian business the stronger our argument > will be... > > ---------------------------------------------- > Myles Eftos > Mobile: +61-409-293-183 > > MadPilot Productions > URL: http://www.madpilot.com.au > Phone: +618-6424-8234 > Fax: +618-9467-6289 > > Try our time tracking system: 88 Miles! > http://www.88miles.net > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* [email protected] [ > mailto:[email protected]<[email protected]>] > *On Behalf Of *Pat Allan > *Sent:* Monday, 27 October 2008 18:03 > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* [SiliconBeach] Re: ISP filtering > > On 27/10/2008, at 1:06 PM, Elias Bizannes wrote: > > On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 5:46 PM, Michael Specht <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > >> Why not get behind the existing efforts? >> >> http://nocleanfeed.com/ >> >> http://petitions.takingitglobal.org/oznetcensorship >> > > I agree and think we should support the EFA's efforts. > However nocleanfeed's petition links to the one above, and in my eyes, > that's not an effective one to get the point across. It needs to be state > based to indicate that voters will threaten their representatives position > in the future, rather than a lump all. > > For a petition to mean anything, its needs to be targeted. > > > Depends what you want it to mean. Going by your draft, your focus was very > much on voting implications for those who support the bill. The one linked > above is a more generic 'We really _really_ don't like this.'. Value in > both, definitely, but not convinced another petition is going to help that > much. > > Is it worth focusing on other avenues? Perhaps making it clear to the ISPs > that they'll lose customers if they sign up on the trial (mind you, it > sounds like Internode and iiNet aren't fans of Conroy already - and they're > probably the third and fourth biggest ISPs after Telstra and Optus). Or > spend the time getting those short video clips happening? > > There's a bit of grass-network concern happening on this list, on Twitter, > etc (the activity today has been awesome) - but we're deep tech people. How > do we draw non-technical minded people in, without seeming too radical? > > > Also, another issue to raise in letters, petitions, meetings etc: this > filter will slow down the net. The trials have shown that. And this will > severely impact the tech businesses here. Quoting Richard Florida, who in > turn is paraphrasing Joel Mokyr: > > Technical creativity has tended to rise and then fade dramatically at > various times in various cultures, when social and economic institutions > turn rigid and act against it. > > > Pushing the business side of things will help to show it's not just a civil > rights issue. I'm sure you business-minded people can do a better job than > me :) > > -- > Pat > > > > > > > > > -- Elias Bizannes http://liako.biz --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Silicon Beach Australia" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/silicon-beach-australia?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
