Caught up with a mate who works in senator faulkners office. Some tips: - don't target liberals. They may be sensitive to a public stance as family first are effectively political rivals forbthe same support base. Given family first supports the restricted chicken feed (my new name for it now!) in an extreme way, this might alienate some of the liberal support base. So liberals might not risk it despite being opposed to it policy wise - greens might make better allies in this fight - best approach is to do some research into the original policy during the election, what the other parties are saying - and then contrast it with the current proposal - he said essentially all movements are about the media. Use mainstream and social media to get the message across.
Sent from my iPhone On 28/10/2008, at 7:52 PM, "Andrew Barnett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Even though the opposition is opposed to the legislation, contacting > your local Liberal parliamentarian, expressing your concern, and > possibly petitions from your area, and a recommendation to gather > all the petitions provided to the Liberal members, and then > basically getting the opposition to provide it to the government, > thus showing the huge support of people against this piece of > legislation. > > Contacting your local Labor member, means that your request, may > ultimately be swept under the carpet by them until after the > legislation is passed, particularly if that member is pro clean > feed. Providing it to the opposition will give them even more reason > to stand up against the legislation, and have your say counted. > > Although we should still contact the Labor MPs and senators showing > our disgust for this piece of legislation. > > > Andrew > > > > 2008/10/28 Elias Bizannes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Schisms within a party work just as well as attacks - divide and > conquer. :) > > On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 6:54 PM, Pat Allan <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > gods.com> wrote: > I'm not sure of the value in hassling the Opposition - it already > sounds like they're not fans of the proposed legislation. I think > speaking to other Labor MPs and Senators is where the real value is, > because Conroy's not going to back down to the Liberals, but he > might to his colleagues. > > Also, it seems Xenophon's a fan of the filter - he's pushing for it > to block out overseas gambling sites. > > All this said, I just read about politics, I'm not involved in it, > so what I'm thinking could be completely off the mark :) > > -- > Pat > > On 27/10/2008, at 4:06 PM, Myles Eftos wrote: > >> Repost from the same discussion we are having on the Australian Web >> Industry Association list: >> >> Just had a chat with a guy at my Uncle's (Sentator Chris Ellison) >> office about people to target an possible actions to take. The >> following are the opposition ministers that would be worth talking >> to (F2F if possible) >> >> Nick Minchin (SA) - Shadow for the digital economy Eric Betts (Tas) >> - Shadow Minister for Innovation, Industry, Science and Research >> Steven Troboe - Shadow Minister for Small Business, Tourism and the >> Arts >> >> It might be worth trying to talk to Julia Bishop and Joe Hockey >> >> Nick Xenophon would also be a good person to target, as he like to >> block things :) >> >> We should also as an association contact WAIA, and chat to them >> about their stance - and also to get some actual concrete numbers - >> I'm sure they will know people how were involved in the research >> that has been done. >> >> Finally, getting in contact with people involved in the roll outs >> in the UK, NZ etc to find out what speed implications they have >> (They have an optional opt-in system though). >> >> I guess it comes down to how far we as an association we want to >> take it. End of the day, petitions and letters are good, but >> directly contacting politicians with some real information is the >> only way to make a change. >> >> Oh, and the other thing he said was talk to the big players (News >> Limited, Fairfax etc) and find out how it will impact they business >> - basically the more impact we can show to Australian business the >> stronger our argument will be... >> >> ---------------------------------------------- >> Myles Eftos >> Mobile: +61-409-293-183 >> >> MadPilot Productions >> URL: http://www.madpilot.com.au >> Phone: +618-6424-8234 >> Fax: +618-9467-6289 >> >> Try our time tracking system: 88 Miles! >> http://www.88miles.net >> >> >> >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected] >> ] On Behalf Of Pat Allan >> Sent: Monday, 27 October 2008 18:03 >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: [SiliconBeach] Re: ISP filtering >> >> On 27/10/2008, at 1:06 PM, Elias Bizannes wrote: >> >>> On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 5:46 PM, Michael Specht >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> Why not get behind the existing efforts? >>> >>> http://nocleanfeed.com/ >>> >>> http://petitions.takingitglobal.org/oznetcensorship >>> >>> >>> I agree and think we should support the EFA's efforts. However >>> nocleanfeed's petition links to the one above, and in my eyes, >>> that's not an effective one to get the point across. It needs to >>> be state based to indicate that voters will threaten their >>> representatives position in the future, rather than a lump all. >>> >>> For a petition to mean anything, its needs to be targeted. >> >> Depends what you want it to mean. Going by your draft, your focus >> was very much on voting implications for those who support the >> bill. The one linked above is a more generic 'We really _really_ >> don't like this.'. Value in both, definitely, but not convinced >> another petition is going to help that much. >> >> Is it worth focusing on other avenues? Perhaps making it clear to >> the ISPs that they'll lose customers if they sign up on the trial >> (mind you, it sounds like Internode and iiNet aren't fans of Conroy >> already - and they're probably the third and fourth biggest ISPs >> after Telstra and Optus). Or spend the time getting those short >> video clips happening? >> >> There's a bit of grass-network concern happening on this list, on >> Twitter, etc (the activity today has been awesome) - but we're deep >> tech people. How do we draw non-technical minded people in, without >> seeming too radical? >> >> >> Also, another issue to raise in letters, petitions, meetings etc: >> this filter will slow down the net. The trials have shown that. And >> this will severely impact the tech businesses here. Quoting Richard >> Florida, who in turn is paraphrasing Joel Mokyr: >> >>> Technical creativity has tended to rise and then fade dramatically >>> at various times in various cultures, when social and economic >>> institutions turn rigid and act against it. >> >> Pushing the business side of things will help to show it's not just >> a civil rights issue. I'm sure you business-minded people can do a >> better job than me :) >> >> -- >> Pat >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > -- > Elias Bizannes > http://liako.biz > > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Silicon Beach Australia" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/silicon-beach-australia?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
