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On Oct 28, 9:46 pm, Elias Bizannes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Caught up with a mate who works in senator faulkners office. Some tips: > - don't target liberals. They may be sensitive to a public stance as > family first are effectively political rivals forbthe same support > base. Given family first supports the restricted chicken feed (my new > name for it now!) in an extreme way, this might alienate some of the > liberal support base. So liberals might not risk it despite being > opposed to it policy wise > - greens might make better allies in this fight > - best approach is to do some research into the original policy during > the election, what the other parties are saying - and then contrast it > with the current proposal > - he said essentially all movements are about the media. Use > mainstream and social media to get the message across. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 28/10/2008, at 7:52 PM, "Andrew Barnett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > Even though the opposition is opposed to the legislation, contacting > > your local Liberal parliamentarian, expressing your concern, and > > possibly petitions from your area, and a recommendation to gather > > all the petitions provided to the Liberal members, and then > > basically getting the opposition to provide it to the government, > > thus showing the huge support of people against this piece of > > legislation. > > > Contacting your local Labor member, means that your request, may > > ultimately be swept under the carpet by them until after the > > legislation is passed, particularly if that member is pro clean > > feed. Providing it to the opposition will give them even more reason > > to stand up against the legislation, and have your say counted. > > > Although we should still contact the Labor MPs and senators showing > > our disgust for this piece of legislation. > > > Andrew > > > 2008/10/28 Elias Bizannes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Schisms within a party work just as well as attacks - divide and > > conquer. :) > > > On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 6:54 PM, Pat Allan <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > gods.com> wrote: > > I'm not sure of the value in hassling the Opposition - it already > > sounds like they're not fans of the proposed legislation. I think > > speaking to other Labor MPs and Senators is where the real value is, > > because Conroy's not going to back down to the Liberals, but he > > might to his colleagues. > > > Also, it seems Xenophon's a fan of the filter - he's pushing for it > > to block out overseas gambling sites. > > > All this said, I just read about politics, I'm not involved in it, > > so what I'm thinking could be completely off the mark :) > > > -- > > Pat > > > On 27/10/2008, at 4:06 PM, Myles Eftos wrote: > > >> Repost from the same discussion we are having on the Australian Web > >> Industry Association list: > > >> Just had a chat with a guy at my Uncle's (Sentator Chris Ellison) > >> office about people to target an possible actions to take. The > >> following are the opposition ministers that would be worth talking > >> to (F2F if possible) > > >> Nick Minchin (SA) - Shadow for the digital economy Eric Betts (Tas) > >> - Shadow Minister for Innovation, Industry, Science and Research > >> Steven Troboe - Shadow Minister for Small Business, Tourism and the > >> Arts > > >> It might be worth trying to talk to Julia Bishop and Joe Hockey > > >> Nick Xenophon would also be a good person to target, as he like to > >> block things :) > > >> We should also as an association contact WAIA, and chat to them > >> about their stance - and also to get some actual concrete numbers - > >> I'm sure they will know people how were involved in the research > >> that has been done. > > >> Finally, getting in contact with people involved in the roll outs > >> in the UK, NZ etc to find out what speed implications they have > >> (They have an optional opt-in system though). > > >> I guess it comes down to how far we as an association we want to > >> take it. End of the day, petitions and letters are good, but > >> directly contacting politicians with some real information is the > >> only way to make a change. > > >> Oh, and the other thing he said was talk to the big players (News > >> Limited, Fairfax etc) and find out how it will impact they business > >> - basically the more impact we can show to Australian business the > >> stronger our argument will be... > > >> ---------------------------------------------- > >> Myles Eftos > >> Mobile: +61-409-293-183 > > >> MadPilot Productions > >> URL:http://www.madpilot.com.au > >> Phone: +618-6424-8234 > >> Fax: +618-9467-6289 > > >> Try our time tracking system: 88 Miles! > >>http://www.88miles.net > > >> From: [email protected] > >> [mailto:[email protected] > >> ] On Behalf Of Pat Allan > >> Sent: Monday, 27 October 2008 18:03 > >> To: [email protected] > >> Subject: [SiliconBeach] Re: ISP filtering > > >> On 27/10/2008, at 1:06 PM, Elias Bizannes wrote: > > >>> On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 5:46 PM, Michael Specht > >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> Why not get behind the existing efforts? > > >>>http://nocleanfeed.com/ > > >>>http://petitions.takingitglobal.org/oznetcensorship > > >>> I agree and think we should support the EFA's efforts. However > >>> nocleanfeed's petition links to the one above, and in my eyes, > >>> that's not an effective one to get the point across. It needs to > >>> be state based to indicate that voters will threaten their > >>> representatives position in the future, rather than a lump all. > > >>> For a petition to mean anything, its needs to be targeted. > > >> Depends what you want it to mean. Going by your draft, your focus > >> was very much on voting implications for those who support the > >> bill. The one linked above is a more generic 'We really _really_ > >> don't like this.'. Value in both, definitely, but not convinced > >> another petition is going to help that much. > > >> Is it worth focusing on other avenues? Perhaps making it clear to > >> the ISPs that they'll lose customers if they sign up on the trial > >> (mind you, it sounds like Internode and iiNet aren't fans of Conroy > >> already - and they're probably the third and fourth biggest ISPs > >> after Telstra and Optus). Or spend the time getting those short > >> video clips happening? > > >> There's a bit of grass-network concern happening on this list, on > >> Twitter, etc (the activity today has been awesome) - but we're deep > >> tech people. How do we draw non-technical minded people in, without > >> seeming too radical? > > >> Also, another issue to raise in letters, petitions, meetings etc: > >> this filter will slow down the net. The trials have shown that. And > >> this will severely impact the tech businesses here. Quoting Richard > >> Florida, who in turn is paraphrasing Joel Mokyr: > > >>> Technical creativity has tended to rise and then fade dramatically > >>> at various times in various cultures, when social and economic > >>> institutions turn rigid and act against it. > > >> Pushing the business side of things will help to show it's not just > >> a civil rights issue. I'm sure you business-minded people can do a > >> better job than me :) > > >> -- > >> Pat > > > -- > > Elias Bizannes > >http://liako.biz --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Silicon Beach Australia" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/silicon-beach-australia?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
