I spoke with a lawyer briefly yesterday to see if there was a legal basis for a class action suit, not really an option. However this was a short discussion and not an in depth review.
From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ash Angell Sent: Wednesday, 29 October 2008 1:17 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [SiliconBeach] Re: ISP filtering I wonder if it could be considered "unconstitutional"? Does anyone here happen to have extensive knowledge in that feild? Ash On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 12:14 PM, Elias Bizannes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Agreed. Media will drum this up if they are getting pageviews and will then make it bigger. Sent from my iPhone On 29/10/2008, at 1:11 PM, "Michael Specht" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: There is lots of discussion here, and on Twitter about the filtering however the issue is starting to hit mainstream, make sure you also comment on these sites so the editors see this is a real issue that needs more discussion with the community. From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sriram Panyam Sent: Wednesday, 29 October 2008 12:42 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [SiliconBeach] Re: ISP filtering Hi All, I was wondering if we are overlooking corporations? What does corporate australia (CA) gain or loose (monetarily ofcourse) from the filtering? Why is there silence from CA? How about publishing/emphasising the economic/monetary effects of the filtering on both corporates as well as individuals (80% reduction and hence a much lower value for money being the most obvious one)? Cheers Sri On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 11:37 AM, Mark Neely <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Elias, This kind of approach is very rarely successful. There is not a single software-based Internet filter/blocker (e.g. NetNanny etc.) that has not been proven to be easily defeated by the very people (i.e. kids) they are designed to protect. That hasn't stopped various governments and education organisations from mandating their use. On the broader front, whenever there is a new security measure of any kind (e.g. airport security), there is always a couple of journalists who will develop a story about how they managed to defeat the new measures. It makes for a few days of sensationalist headlines, the relevant body says they will investigate, and then the issue just disappears. Also, demonstrating how a proposed security measure can be defeated can have negative consequences. First, it just hardens the position of those who advocate it. Second, it will demonstrate for some people why those very same measures are needed ('Gee, if a bunch of journos can smuggle a gun on board the plane for a joke, imagine what some highly-motivated, highly-trained terrorists could smuggle aboard! Maybe the government isn't doing enough!'). Rather than demonstrate how the control measures would not work, a better form of demonstration would be to give people a very real taste of just how they *could* work. Demonstrate Search Engines with only limited results. Social networks with censored images and conversations. Educational resources that have large slabs of historic 'fact' removed because it goes against the official government views of the day. Blogs with no readers because the topic is not sanctioned. Artistic sites now blocked etc. Helping people to understand just how these measures would impact their daily lives, and encouraging them to make their concerns known to regulators and politicians, is the best way to ensure the government doesn't overstep the will of the community. Regards, Mark ----- Mark Neely Master Strategist Infolution Pty Ltd 'Beyond Strategy. Leading Change' e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] m: +61 (0)412 0417 29 skype: mark.neely Read my blogs --> www.infolution.com.au www.neelyready.com Connect on LinkedIn --> www.linkedin.com/in/markneely _____ From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Elias Bizannes Sent: Sunday, 26 October 2008 11:14 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [SiliconBeach] Re: ISP filtering That's a brillaint idea Pat - showing how ineffective the controls would be, in a vocal way :) I've got some contacts in Iran and they could help us broadcast how these 'repressed' people get away with things. It would be a good way to compare the approach to an authoritarian government, whilst at the same time showing how ineffective they are. We could also put together short clips having people explain how easy it is to circumvent as well as working examples of exploitations of the holes. Whilst we can make this content targeted at the public to create awareness, I also (as I am sure others) got some labour hack mates, who can ensure that our work is distributed to the right people within the party. And certainly, I've got some Liberal hack mates who would love to get behind this for the sake of creating a wedge issue. Clearly, English doesn't work in the form of letters and e-mails that we have sent to these short-sighted, opportunistic, moronic arse-wipe politicians. Maybe it's time we try another tactic: flat out embaressment, with a touch of crowd sourcing and a tad of social media distribution. At worst, we have a laugh and let the public know our industry is alive and kicking. Thoughts? -- Blog: http://panyam.wordpress.com URL: http://www.geocities.com/spany_1 --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Silicon Beach Australia" group. 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