Hi Simran, I don't intend to be personal here, but, I've heard this from most of the people who've been to India for a few years. You've got to understand why it is the way it is in India. Just coming across facts that everyone knows doesn't help you know :) As an entrepreneur, may be you are trying to solve a few problems which you've enlisted below. What is essential in this group is what we can learn from India and not the state of affairs which is very well known.
Also, you've got to get your facts right before coming up with statements like "lack of family ethics and most personal lives there". On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 4:25 PM, simran <sim...@dn.gs> wrote: > What a lovely picture you paint David... :) deep philosophical thought and > long term thinking :) :) :) > > It is so romantic (from an etherial point of view)... but in my > experience, having lived there for just under 4 years, all is not as it > seems.. > > In my experience in the last four years: > * came across some filthy rich people (yes, filthy is the right word) - > those that do scams in the billions > * came across some very very poor people (and plenty of child labour, > abuse, etc) > * car stolen by neighbour's son, and the subsequent police involvement, > and bribery from both sides (including dingy deals in dark alleyways) > etc... > * hit and run - including a court case - seeing bribes in the courthouse > under the photo of the "father of the nation" (Gandhi)! (in front of over a > hundred people) > (incidently, at least in karnataka (a southern indian state), if you hit > a **poor** person (with your car), the fine is Rs.2500 ($50), if you kill > him, its Rs. 10,000 ($200) + about $1k-$5k in bribes! > * the waiving of money before giving it to lawyers in the courthouse to > "progress your file" > * corporate deceit > * lack of family ethics and values in most personal lives there > * many hanging on to religion because they have nothing else to hang on > to... > * happiness in the midst of despair and calm in the midst of chaos > * staying in the largest slums of asia and seeing sometimes the most > horrific and sometimes the most beautiful things there! > > I feel like the experiences almost lend themselves to a shantaram type > book :) (although not drug ridden, but with equal duality of experience / > variances in corporate / personal life). > > We can romanticise the country, but only from afar, as for as material is > concerned, there is seldom a person not wanting to clamour for more wealth > at *any expense* - you don't often find saints/sadhus without golden > watches on their hands using the latest mobile phones, temple priests that > don't take bribes to "let you see the deity" - (there are temples in india > that are far richer than the vatican...; recently one was found where there > was at least between $2-20billion dollars worth of gold in the vaults; > no-one knows the exact value because they have not opened all the vaults)... > > Oh, the IT industry entrepreneurs want their millions today, in less than > 6 perceived months that it might take in silicon valley, belief in an > afterlife is contradicted with the everyday reality of no faith in "getting > it later" - it's the land of contradictions and as lao tzu says, things are > not shades of grey, they are black and white at the same time... there is > immense cruelty (for a land of so many vegetarians (comparatively) you > should see the cruelty to every animal and everything on the streets > (except in *some* cases, cows)), and yet there is hope too... the grapes of > materialism are only sour when they seem unreachable, and philosophical > thoughts of contentment kick in... > > One must maneuver carefully in that land, be not too quick to romanticise > it, nor too quick to discard it... for the devil and the god are the very > same thing there... you have to know how to extract what you need for the > outcome you desire... > > s. :) > > > > > > On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 11:21 AM, David Lyon < > david.lyon.preissh...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> What's interesting to understand about Asia is that India is (often) >> referred to as being the master-culture for Asia. >> >> For example, the Buddist Temples that you will see in Korea, Japan >> and China all come from India. Materials no, just the techniques and >> philosophies. >> >> Once upon a time when Japan was just a bunch of fishing and hillside >> villages, India was a powerhouse of philosophical thought. If you listen >> to the Guru's in India now, you might well believe it still is. :-) >> >> Anyway, why do we care in the IT/Business sphere ? well the Buddhist >> philosophy marks a different pace of economic development than what's >> found in Western Countries. >> >> Actually, the Asian pace of development is (self-described) as being >> much slower than the "make a 5 million bucks in 24 months" philosophy >> of the west. >> >> The core value however that powers Asia, is one of slow improvement >> of one's self. Meaning the skills that one has, in production and >> marketing >> of tech devices/hardware/software. >> >> "Just concentrate" (on the tech) is perhaps a skill that Australians could >> really learn and benefit from and is essential for doing business in Asia. >> >> Asia is a place where multiple innovations are expected. But more >> importantly, >> attention to the task of refinement is then demanded. It's slightly >> different way >> of working to what we might be used to here. >> >> Of course, it's similar in Silicon Valley too. But there's a lighter >> demand >> on production as it's assumed that more innovations are around the >> corner which may end up being bigger and better. >> >> In Asia, the philosophy is a bit different. Future innovations just tend >> to get rolled into the existing business. In better countries, a dozen >> at a time. >> >> Depending on which way we decide to trade, we need to understand the >> subtle differences between the two different markets. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Silicon Beach >> Australia mailing list. Vist http://siliconbeachaustralia.org for more >> >> Forum rules >> 1) No lurkers! It is expected that you introduce yourself. >> 2) No jobs postings. You can use http://siliconbeachaustralia.org/jobs >> >> >> To post to this group, send email to >> silicon-beach-australia@googlegroups.com >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> silicon-beach-australia+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/silicon-beach-australia?hl=en?hl=en >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Silicon Beach > Australia mailing list. Vist http://siliconbeachaustralia.org for more > > Forum rules > 1) No lurkers! 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