really?  I mean do you really thing that people in the humanities are
somehow more disconnected from reality and commercial pressure than
engineers or scientists?  I have no idea what exactly that would
mean... it's a bad generalization.  The humanities today are more like
(US) reality than ever before, namely in the economic distribution of
wealth, with a handful (less than 1%) making more than say, 100K per
year, and whose names are known by the New York Times or the TLS, and
the 99% living in near poverty (starting salaries for a tenure track
job are still around 30-45K), our outright poverty (adjuncts teaching
4 classes per semester for $3000 or less per class).  The same
distribution applies to whose books are published widely...  so why
does this rich-poor gap exist?  Who knows really, but I don't think it
has anything to do with any metric of "connection to reality"...

ck

On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 10:47:32AM +0200, Rishab Aiyer Ghosh wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 2008-05-08 at 07:10 +0530, Udhay Shankar N wrote:
> > Just tying this thread into a recursive loop:
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/silk-list/message/12241
> 
> i liked chip morningstar's comment about the need for technical
> scientists to ensure that their field is understood by non-specialists
> (at some point) due to commercial pressures and constant interaction
> with the real world; and how this is sorely lacking in parts of the
> academic humanities. his description of the criteria used for judging
> quality would appear to apply to _social text_ and sokal - and indeed,
> matches casey's justification of why the journal published sokal. how
> bout STS-S?
> 
> -rishab
> 
> > Looking at the field of contemporary literary criticism as a whole
> > also yields some valuable insights. It is a cautionary lesson about
> > the consequences of allowing a branch of academia that has been
> > entrusted with the study of important problems to become isolated and
> > inbred. [...]
> > Engineering and the sciences have, to a greater degree, been spared
> > this isolation and genetic drift because of crass commercial
> > necessity. The constraints of the physical world and the actual needs
> > and wants of the actual population have provided a grounding that is
> > difficult to dodge. However, in academia the pressures for isolation
> > are enormous. It is clear to me that the humanities are not going to
> > emerge from the jungle on their own. I think that the task of outreach
> > is left to those of us who retain some connection, however tenuous, to
> > what we laughingly call reality. We have to go into the jungle after
> > them and rescue what we can. Just remember to hang on to your sense of
> > humor and don't let them intimidate you.
> 
> 

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