I have no personal experience with this subject i.e. the use of
electricity to neutralize venom from a bite, and mentioned it only as an
avenue for investigation. I would think that the use of a stun gun on an
eleven year old girl (or a forty year old man for that matter) would be
pretty bloody stupid to put it mildly. The thought was more along the
lines of the Bob Beck blood purifing machine. Interestingly, there is a
reference to this specific issue given in the "Explore" article about
Beck's work. So at the end I still can't tell you whether it works or
not but it is at least something more than just an old wives' tale.
Maybe someone can retrieve the original "Lancet" article and any other
relevant references pro and con. Cisco, given the abundance of nasty
critters in your neighborhood the results of such a study might be of
particular practical interest for you.
Below is a snip from the article followed by the URL for the complete
piece.
Best to all.
Doug.
.
.
.
In a remarkable discovery at Albert Einstein College
of
Medicine, N.Y.C. in 1990, it was shown that a minute
current
(50 to 100 MICRO amperes) can alter outer protein
layers of
HIV virus in a petri dish so as to prevent its
subsequent
attachment to receptor sites. (SCIENCE NEWS, March
30, 1991
page 207.) It may also reverse Epstein Barr (chronic
fatigue
syndrome), hepatitis, and herpes B. HIV positive
users of this
enclosed information may expect a NEGATIVE p24
surface
antigen or PCR test (no more HIV detectable in
blood) after 30
days. This is reminiscent of a well proven cure for
snakebite
by application of electric current that instantly
neutralizes the
venom's toxicity. (LANCET, July 26, 1986, page 229.)
And
there may be several other as yet undiscovered or
untested
viruses neutralizable with this discovery.
.
.
.
From the Beck article at
http://www.explorepub.com/articles/beck/hiv_article.html
Cisco wrote:
>
> YA'all,
>
> I would concure with this concept....it aint wise and dont play with the
> power. It will knock you out and will paralyze muscles....do not play
> with it...it is not the answer!
>
> Cisco
>
> It's not me wrote:
> >
> > As I understand it, the stun gun approach has been disproved. Some local
> > guy tried the approach for a rattlesnake bite and nearly killed himself.
> > Apparently, from what I have read, the approach is more folk tale than cure.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Douglas McMurtrie <dmcmu...@bellatlantic.net>
> > To: silver-list@eskimo.com <silver-list@eskimo.com>
> > Date: Wednesday, May 13, 1998 7:54 AM
> > Subject: Re: Emergency help needed with diagnosis!!
> >
> > >First, the disclaimer, I am not an MD and I offer this as food for
> > >thought only. I tend to agree with Cisco's comments below. Because of
> > >the rapid onset, this sounds more like like a poisonous bite followed by
> > >a toxic shock than a disease process. If it is a venom based problem, I
> > >wonder if an electrolytic protocol might help. I know that electrolysis
> > >of the protein that makes up rattlesnake venom has been a successful
> > >technique in use for a long time. What I don't know is how long after
> > >the bite has been sustained is this method good for. Has anyone here any
> > >personal experience with this. An earlier post mentions the use of a
> > >stun gun on the bite of a brown recluse. Perhaps the Bob Beck device
> > >might be of some use here. Does anyone have one that they might be able
> > >to FED-X to the girl's mother. I doubt it would do the child any harm
> > >and if it could break down the venom as it circulates in the blood
> > >stream then maybe the child gets some relief. Sounds to me like time is
> > >of the essence.
> > >
> > >Best of luck and God's blessings to you Mother. I hope all turns out
> > >well.
> > >
> > >Doug.
> > >
> > >Cisco wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Robert,
> > >>
> > >> We have things in the tropics which rival this type of syndrome or
> > >> affliction. But one must know the type if venom. Lyme does not react
> > >> this fast. A combined allergic reaction to a venom as well as the toxic
> > >> nature of a venom will create problems even the best toxicologist can
> > >> not deal with.
> > >>
> > >> You have few things to do...the antibiotics are a waste of time in these
> > >> circumstances for the initial toxin responces.....this is not an
> > >> antibody situation it is a toxic disorder. Unless you have an idea of
> > >> the nature of the bite you have only two ways to proceed. One is to
> > >> clean and clear the area, the other is to get to a venom specialists and
> > >> FAST. The description you have stated is a neurotoxin and is very
> > >> deadly, resultant infections and alergies will create a deadly composit
> > >> of problems.
> > >>
> > >> Until you can identify the crisis....it aint good. Best you can do is
> > >> get the liver clear and keep it working....if it fails from the toxic
> > >> killoff and the levels of cellular decay your lost. The system must
> > >> remain hydrated and one must utilize major quantities of natural acids
> > >> in the intake. This will cause the system to go alkaline this will help
> > >> with the body dealing with the poison. IF the brain is affected I have
> > >> nothing to help you with.....several snakes here carry a NT and it only
> > >> causes the heart problems to keep trying....cold but true. FIND what bit
> > >> her....then you have a weapon.....till then....your in the dark.
> > >>
> > >> Gods Speed to you all......
> > >>
> > >> Cisco
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
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And
there may be several other as yet undiscovered or
untested
viruses neutralizable with this discovery.
Cisco wrote:
>
> YA'all,
>
> I would concure with this concept....it aint wise and dont play with the
> power. It will knock you out and will paralyze muscles....do not play
> with it...it is not the answer!
>
> Cisco
>
> It's not me wrote:
> >
> > As I understand it, the stun gun approach has been disproved. Some local
> > guy tried the approach for a rattlesnake bite and nearly killed himself.
> > Apparently, from what I have read, the approach is more folk tale than cure.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Douglas McMurtrie <dmcmu...@bellatlantic.net>
> > To: silver-list@eskimo.com <silver-list@eskimo.com>
> > Date: Wednesday, May 13, 1998 7:54 AM
> > Subject: Re: Emergency help needed with diagnosis!!
> >
> > >First, the disclaimer, I am not an MD and I offer this as food for
> > >thought only. I tend to agree with Cisco's comments below. Because of
> > >the rapid onset, this sounds more like like a poisonous bite followed by
> > >a toxic shock than a disease process. If it is a venom based problem, I
> > >wonder if an electrolytic protocol might help. I know that electrolysis
> > >of the protein that makes up rattlesnake venom has been a successful
> > >technique in use for a long time. What I don't know is how long after
> > >the bite has been sustained is this method good for. Has anyone here any
> > >personal experience with this. An earlier post mentions the use of a
> > >stun gun on the bite of a brown recluse. Perhaps the Bob Beck device
> > >might be of some use here. Does anyone have one that they might be able
> > >to FED-X to the girl's mother. I doubt it would do the child any harm
> > >and if it could break down the venom as it circulates in the blood
> > >stream then maybe the child gets some relief. Sounds to me like time is
> > >of the essence.
> > >
> > >Best of luck and God's blessings to you Mother. I hope all turns out
> > >well.
> > >
> > >Doug.
> > >
> > >Cisco wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Robert,
> > >>
> > >> We have things in the tropics which rival this type of syndrome or
> > >> affliction. But one must know the type if venom. Lyme does not react
> > >> this fast. A combined allergic reaction to a venom as well as the toxic
> > >> nature of a venom will create problems even the best toxicologist can
> > >> not deal with.
> > >>
> > >> You have few things to do...the antibiotics are a waste of time in these
> > >> circumstances for the initial toxin responces.....this is not an
> > >> antibody situation it is a toxic disorder. Unless you have an idea of
> > >> the nature of the bite you have only two ways to proceed. One is to
> > >> clean and clear the area, the other is to get to a venom specialists and
> > >> FAST. The description you have stated is a neurotoxin and is very
> > >> deadly, resultant infections and alergies will create a deadly composit
> > >> of problems.
> > >>
> > >> Until you can identify the crisis....it aint good. Best you can do is
> > >> get the liver clear and keep it working....if it fails from the toxic
> > >> killoff and the levels of cellular decay your lost. The system must
> > >> remain hydrated and one must utilize major quantities of natural acids
> > >> in the intake. This will cause the system to go alkaline this will help
> > >> with the body dealing with the poison. IF the brain is affected I have
> > >> nothing to help you with.....several snakes here carry a NT and it only
> > >> causes the heart problems to keep trying....cold but true. FIND what bit
> > >> her....then you have a weapon.....till then....your in the dark.
> > >>
> > >> Gods Speed to you all......
> > >>
> > >> Cisco
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
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