Is he using neon sign transformer? I have had one running a Jacobs ladder (like you see in the Frankenstein movies) for hours before with no problem, and that arc is up to 2" at times.
Marshall James Osbourne, Holmes wrote: > The CSPro unit's instructions say it will fry the tran if you allow it to > arc over about 1/8 inch for very long. So, there must be a limit to > self-limiting. > > James Osbourne, Holmes > > a...@trail.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: Marshall Dudley [SMTP:mdud...@execonn.com] > Sent: Friday, July 02, 1999 12:09 PM > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: CS>Constant current... > > A 15 KV 30 ma neon sign transformer will give 15 KV at 0 ma, and will give > 30 mA at 0 > V. Operating point is normally at about 70% to 80% of the rated voltage, > and the > current at that point is about 25 mA. the current VS voltage is very > non-linear, with > current staying essentially constant until about 70% of the open circuit > voltage, then > dropping rather fast above 80%. > > Expect about 25 mA at 10KV with a 15 KV transformer. > > You are correct that it is really not regulated, but it is better than a > plain > resistor at any rate. > > Marshall > > Dennis Lipter wrote: > > > Marshall: > > > > A 30ma neon transformer I assume will self limit somewhere near 30ma > right? Well > > if that is so then current can vary between 0-30ma. That to me is current > > limiting, not current regulating. Maybe it doesn't matter as the "cone of > water" > > might act as a current regulator of sorts. I think I will build both > types to play > > with. > > > > Dennis Lipter > > > > Marshall Dudley wrote: > > > > > Neon sign transformers are self limiting. > > > > > > Marshall > > > > > > Dennis Lipter wrote: > > > > > > > Trem: > > > > > > > > I like your approach to generating CS using a current regulated (1 > ma) power > > > > supply. With this approach the only variables are time, and water > quality. I > > > > wonder how this approach applies to the HVAC method. Is it needed or > even > > > > possible to implement a 10,000 VAC or DC current limited generator? > > > > > > > > Dennis Lipter > > > > > > > > "M. G. Devour" wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hello all, > > > > > > > > > > Trem Williams sent me this message so I could review it for > > > > > compliance with the non-commercial nature of the list. It's just > fine > > > > > by me, and I am forwarding it to you all because it is good info. > > > > > > > > > > Constant current has been discussed and is thought to be among the > > > > > best techniques we know about. But it hasn't been discussed a lot > > > > > recently and it is good to get another developer's point of view. > > > > > Thanks for good citizenship and for sharing your results, Trem. > > > > > > > > > > Be well, > > > > > > > > > > Mike D. > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>Begin included message > > > > > > > > > > Hello All, > > > > > > > > > > I have to jump in and pass on some information we have regarding > > > > > voltage, current density, current flow, timing, water temperature, > > > > > electrode spacing, electrode immersion depth and electrode > > > > > deterioration. > > > > > > > > > > We use 1/4" wide by 5" long silver electrodes with our colloid > > > > > generators. This results in quite a large surface area of silver. > > > > > Immersion depth is about 3 inches, typically. Our generators limit > > > > > the current with a regulator to a constant, low current value so as > to > > > > > get very low current density. We do not get any bubbling, boiling > or > > > > > any odd looking effects. Just a slow release of silver into the > water. > > > > > > > > > > Our instructions are to not use saline, do not heat the water, use > > > > > steam distilled water and place the electrodes at least two inches > > > > > apart. Nothing critical there. We suggest running the unit for > 4-5 > > > > > hours in 16 ounces of water to get 15-20 PPM. As you can see, our > > > > > generators take quite some time to make a batch but what is a > little > > > > > extra time when the results are always the same. > > > > > > > > > > We are able to get repeatable results every time a batch is made. > All > > > > > the variables are taken care of by using the constant current > > > > > regulator. Spacing and water temperature are not part of the > equation. > > > > > All one has to do is use the same amount of distilled water and > run > > > > > the generator for the same time to get the same results each time. > > > > > It's a no brainer. The key here is CONSTANT CURRENT. > > > > > > > > > > As far as I'm concerned, using a constant voltage source is the > same > > > > > as trying to drive a car with the gas pedal stuck to the floor. > The > > > > > speed is going to continue to increase until the engine is turned > off. > > > > > The same analogy applies to using constant voltage. Wire spacing, > > > > > size, depth of immersion and water temperature are the variables > and > > > > > when the silver starts to build up in the water, the current starts > to > > > > > run away and increase too rapidly. That's why it bubbles, makes > black > > > > > particles, gets brown, etc. And it is almost never repeatable. > There > > > > > are too many variables in the process using a constant voltage > source. > > > > > > > > > > If one wants to do it inexpensively without using electronic > circuitry > > > > > to make it automatic, try using a rheostat and milliameter in > series > > > > > with the battery and electrodes. These are available at Radio > Shack > > > > > or any electronic parts store. After the current starts to flow, > > > > > adjust the rheostat to maintain current at some low value. In our > > > > > case we adjust the internal regulator so that it maintains a > constant > > > > > current flow of 1 milliampere. I would suggest that value for the > > > > > do-it-yourselfers if they use electrodes with equivalent surface > area > > > > > to our electrodes. If using wire, the surface area will be less > and > > > > > the current density will be higher so I can't suggest what current > to > > > > > use. I would suggest a lower value. > > > > > > > > > > It is our experience that the electrodes will last upwards of > 700-1000 > > > > > hours if they are reversed every once in a while. It is also our > > > > > experience that there is little or no sludge or fallout using this > > > > > technique. Particle size is small as attested to by consistently > > > > > clear colloidal water without any "sparklers" when a laser is shone > > > > > through the water. The color is golden and depth of color is > > > > > determined by length of running time. It is never cloudy; always > > > > > clear. It is never brown, purple, blue or red. Just light golden, > > > > > clear water. > > > > > > > > > > The upshot is; use more silver surface area and limit the current > and > > > > > you will get repeatability. And that's what we're all after isn't > it; > > > > > a uniform product? > > > > > > > > > > Good luck to all. > > > > > > > > > > Trem Williams > > > > > www.silvergen.com > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Pam Whitmire <paw...@lcc.net> > > > > > To: silver-list@eskimo.com <silver-list@eskimo.com> > > > > > Date: Monday, June 28, 1999 8:15 PM > > > > > Subject: CS strength, times, etc. > > > > > > > > > > >Ok, I'm confused. Someone told me that you don't WANT to see your > silver > > > > > >wires bubbling and misting. And NOT to use saline. When I used > saline, I > > > > > >saw lots of mist rising off one of the wires (I'm using a small > > > > > >generator with 3 9volt batteries) and the solution stayed sort of > misty. > > > > > >Tasted just like the gold-colored CS that I had bought from a > company. > > > > > >When I didn't use saline, I didn't see anything at all happening. > Does > > > > > >it take a lot of time? One article said DONT boil the water - > another > > > > > >said DO boil it. Today I heated the water to approx. 125 degrees, > > > > > >started the generator and at about 11 minutes I began to see tiny > > > > > >bubbles on one rod. Started timer again, and at the end of about > 24 > > > > > >minutes the one rod was black and starting to form some deposits > on the > > > > > >end (but none were dropping in the water) the other rod was also > > > > > >blackish and beginning to mist a bit from the end. I turned it off > and > > > > > >have left it alone. How do I know it's correct? Do you just assume > that > > > > > >you got a good solution because you had the water, silver, > generator and > > > > > >left it for x amount of time? I know I sound like a real dummy, > but I > > > > > >really want this to work for me. I appreciate all of you who have > taken > > > > > >time to answer me....feel free to reply to me personally if that > is > > > > > >best. 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