--On 16 October 2007 09:15:16 -0400 Ode Coyote <odecoy...@alltel.net> wrote:
That depends on the flu strain.
The H5N1bird flu, so far, has a 60% survival rate...IF... you have access
to a ventilator to keep you breathing.
That's the human engineered variety.
That's about a 90% mortality rate without one and most well equipped
hospitals only have a dozen or so.
It's not that "flu" that kills you, it's a healthy bodies over response
to it that drowns you in it's own defense mechanism.
Old people with weak immune systems actually survive better.
So it is speculated. I have seen no subsatantial research on this idea. DO
you suggest a paper?
[BTW I have seen what just a couple puffs of high test pot smoke does
for a strangling congestive cough that no over the counter drug even
touches. Instant lung dryer. Amazing! My ex was turning blue by the
time I tried that one on her and hadn't slept in 3 days. Suddenly, no
more cough or congestion. BANG, bong....gone and didn't come back. A
touch of the "weed' might be a life saver and damn the pee bottles to
favor cotton mouth and a big Buzz side effect. ]
They have photos of that sucker and know just what it will take to mutate
into an easy airborne transmitter that keys into human receptor sites
like a lock.
The number used "H5N1" is the sequence of receptors as a genetic code
of sorts...like the numbers on tumblers in a lock and key set.
It ain't much of a change, it's really close right now.
Right now, it's more like a lock pick scratching up the door on the way
in.
It's also not a specific lock, more like a generic master lock
*resistant* to other keys.
There will always be a few humans that fall just outside the master
lock of "human" and be resistant, if not immune.
Everything lives in multiple ranges of averages.
Yes, it's a "scare", but one with some mean meat to it.
If that one does mutate, it'll be a lot worse than the Spanish flu that
killed millions world wide in the early 1900s.
It could, however, also mutate into harmlessness, or a flu with a 99.9%
survival rate.
If: I think it does all the time.
That one is a crap shoot, but with big losers if lucky sevens don't pop
up on the mutation toss...and no vaccine can be made until it does what
it's going to do, as there are too many viable and dangerous variants
possible to engineer them all before hand.
It's a lot closer to really bad, than nothing to be concerned about.
By then, with the time it takes to develop and make enough vaccine,
[about 6 months with a 2 week vector world wide] we're toast, buddy. No
one knows how well done.
Pity it was created outside the human body, where otherwise viruses exist
in a more synergistic state for the less-vulnerable (majority).
"Vaccines don't work"? Never mind. It's all over with. Salt water
doesn't stop drowning.
..and if "they" wanted to kill us all, they could.
The technology exists, now.
It's easy to kill everyone, a LOT harder to select who.
"They" ARE us...and they don't want to die off any more than we do.
On the other hand, if they can "engineer" a variant and have a vaccine
ready on the sly...they could select a very very limited who.
Problem: What good is it to be the lords of an empty planet?
Just choose a figure, 1 Billion is quoted as desirable for the New World
Orders' slaves.
Problem: Not enough people, its back to the stone age.
Too many? Back to the stone age by another means.
Both winds up with not enough, in different ways.
...and expanding that who sufficiently, spills the beans...can't keep
enough whos alive to make it worth while. [yet]
AIDs is already at work? [ Maybe accident, maybe design..makes no
difference to what it's doing. ].... so why bother.
Weird thing is, AIDs people might be able to survive the Bird Flu
better than healthy people...then die later. [oops]
Question: How many people are prepared to endure total isolation for a
year or more, or are in a position to accomplish it?
Answer: Not enough. Most people live in cities and many won't stay
there after the food supply dries up in a couple of days.
Where will they go? Shopping in the countryside? Killing sheep? Pulling
turnips and picking blackberries? But the food supply has run dry.
I imagine meat eaters will kill the vulnerable young and old, if they don't
restrain themselves - in the country too.
If the flu don't get you, starvation or hordes of hungry, scared and
about to be very ill people, probably will.
The vulnerable - not necessarily me.
It's not the flu that kills you, but mismanagement of flu cases: early
intervention, with fresh air is needed, not heat. Rest. A shawl might be
better, first. Then if heat is needed, radiant wood fire, with window open.
SAlt water for the passages, A flannel for fever. Body exercises which
loosen and strengthen congested areas, in the head, neck, and shoulder,
nasal, throat, chest areas. Relieves flu in a few short hours. But there's
no comparative study. Spanish flu epidemic is not a god example, as it was
engendered by vaccines, I believe.
JOhn
Ode
At 07:51 PM 10/15/2007 +0100, you wrote:
But, Ode, hardly anyone dies of flue. Just a few extremely vulnerable
people. Maybe with their windows shut, in a ground floor bungalow with
no heating. It's an advertising scare, isn't it?
JOhn
--On 15 October 2007 10:26:25 -0400 Ode Coyote <odecoy...@alltel.net>
wrote:
I can go look at the slides and research, blow by blow "this does
that" with piles of repeatable evidence.
You have to rely on an unfounded opinion being promoted by notoriously
ignorant "anti-believers" who *don't* used their heads as a
"methodology".
"Anything that's opposite from a carefully selected partial truth is the
whole truth"
Sure, but only if you're a simpleton.
Well, believe this:
If you have the flu, you have no right to go out in public, much less
transport people around.
Doing so is irresponsible, if not illegal.
That you "can" is a dangerous oversight, not a right. [unless you are a
mosquito with no choice but to bite and get flattened for it.]
You can refuse a vaccination, but then, stay at home making it "your"
problem and not many many other peoples problem.
In the case of "life threatening" pandemic, it will be illegal and you
could "rightfully" get yourself shot if you leave home.
If by chance the vaccination doesn't work, at least you've taken the
steps than can be taken to prevent transmission, vs, no steps at
all...or anti-steps.
That some vaccinations might not work "as advertised" doesn't mean none
do, at least, "something".
I'll betcha that when you see some people around you dropping like flies
and some not, you'll be wondering why, then.
If *everybody* corks off, THEN you can feel real safe about being
"right" about not taking the least risky course of action amid an
overwhelming danger.
In a battlefield, not too many people worry about being allergic to body
armor and the bullet it doesn't stop has nothing to do with those it did
stop when deciding if body armor works or not.
Imperfect doesn't mean useless. [except to fanatical anti believers ]
ode
At 04:02 PM 10/12/2007 -0400, you wrote:
Regardless of unproven "bullshit", Does any transport person have the
right to be a disease carrier?
YES, Ode, I have the ABSOLUTE RIGHT to live my life free from being
assaulted with a deadly weapon by you just because you have some
undefined, unproven FEAR that something that I might or might not be
carrying might or might not be dangerous to you.
You are saying that the smallpox vaccine hasn't eliminated smallpox?
..That cowpox antibodies don't immunize from smallpox?
Yep - thats what I'm saying. If you believe it does, then you have
fallen for their FUD.
Which vaccines work and which don't and that some vaccines may be
harmful to some people for different reasons, may be questionable,
Nope... not questionable. NONE of them work, and they are ALL harmful.
PERIOD.
but the whole field of vaccination is pretty much an over all proven
success with centuries of experience to back it up.
Yep - you've fallen for their lies/FUD.
And as for the rest, fyi - wikipedia is nice as a BEGINNING reference
for researching things - but just because something is in wikipedia
doesn't make it true.
Some of those links refer NOT to modern 'vaccines', but a process
similar to homeopathy, and may indeed have been beneficial to an
extent... but it bears ZERO resemblance to the modern day nightmare
that is 'vaccines'.
Pasteur was a fraud - read up on Antoine Bechamp...
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