James Sullivan wrote:

> Hi!
>
> Seem to me that you're both right.
>
> Current and voltage are interdependent. At a given resistance, the
> amount of current that will flow is dependent on the voltage. You
> can't have one without the other. Keep in mind, too, that your body
> functions on microvoltages and microcurrents, so it wouldn't take much
> of either to mess you up.
>
> Later!
>

List,

Please forgive me if I have not made it clear that I am not attacking anyone.
Electricity does not care who is right.  It does not care who is a novice or who
basically gets the drift.  It will behave as it will behave.  It is not a 
subject of
opinion where everyone gets to find common ground and go home feeling good.  
There
should be no feelings involved at all.  Pointing out how electricity works is 
not an
attack on anyone.

This line of discussion was started after a well meaning warning to be careful 
of a 100v
power supply.  The warning is in order, especially since the person to whom it 
was
directed seemed, according to previous posts, to have some questions as to how
electricity works.  I could be wrong about this, but the way his posts were 
written made
me ass-u-me so.  However, a person with some question about how electricity 
works needs
to get very precise information for safety.

Even experienced electricians tend to talk volts when discussing safety, 
although in the
field they will be very aware of what kind of amperage a circuit can put out, 
and judge
the danger of the system according to the amperage available.  I have over 20 
years in
the field, and have been in the position to train many a person on the safety 
aspects of
electricity.  Rule number one: amperage kills.  From a 48 volt system, a 4800 
volt
system, to a 50000 volt system, the voltage will not kill or injure, it is how 
much
current that goes through you that matters.  Anyone in my employ who does not 
understand
that does not stay in my employ.  Period.  Safety matters.  If I cannot wipe 
the idea
out of someone's head that lower voltages are less dangerous, I cannot keep him 
around.
All power supplies are dangerous, more dangerous as the amps available goes up. 
 Voltage
of the power supply matters less.  I can give anyone a very serious blast with 
24 volts,
and I can also hold onto a 12000 volt line without a shock.  Its the amps that 
get ya.

Yes, as mentioned by James above, there is a relationship between voltage, 
resistance,
and current.  But that is not the point immediately at hand.  And neither is 
this a
discussion on how many volts a neuron operates on.  The point I was trying to 
make is
when a person needs info on electricity, the info needs to be as correct as 
possible.
The idea of respecting a higher voltage supply more than the lower voltage 
supply is
exactly the thinking that gets people injured.  That is exactly why most 
electrical
mishaps occur with voltages at or below 120v, respect for the supply lessens as 
the
voltage rating drops.

So as a safety warning to all out there who do not have a good understanding of 
basic
electricity:  Respect all power supplies.  If your respect for a power supply 
goes up as
the voltage rating goes up, you are in danger of having less respect for lower 
voltage
supplies, which is when accidents happen.  Base your estimation of the safety 
of the
system on how much current can flow through you, and for how long that current 
can be
maintained,  in case of an accident.  (I have a 40 volt power supply capable of
momentary 600 amps and continuous 200 amps.  This, under the right 
circumstances, can
ruin your day much more completely than a 12000 volt electric fencer.)  If you 
do not
understand that amperage does the damage, get out of the experimentation 
business.  If
you want to be able to get a feel for the potential for danger in a system, 
study the
volts, resistance, current relationship (as mentioned by James above ) for 
starters.
And don't assume the higher the voltage rating the more amps it can push 
through you.  A
higher voltage system may simply not have the current available to push much 
through
you, and a lower voltage system, which has never shocked you, may have lots of 
current
available via a large transformer and a capacitor bank, and may blast the 
neighbor's kid
who is running around hot a sweaty, full of salt from eating salt and vinegar 
potato
chips all day with salt and grease still on his hands [the kid is a LOT more 
conductive
than you probably are].  Now his Mom is pissed.

Mind the amps.

Jim


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