If you use such a low voltage, current cannot climb out of sight.
I've found that a single 9 volt battery produces superior CS to a 3 nine
volter for that reason, but is a lot slower.
Removing batteries during the process is a plus.
There are several ways to control current.
Electronic "current control" does that automatically and input voltage is
only relevant to the time it takes for conductivity to match the voltage
drop that sets that current draw.
ie, it turns out the same no matter what input voltage is used so long as
it's over a minimum that corresponds to the desired "PPM"
Using the electrode spacing and whetted surface area that I do, that's
around 6 volts @ 1 milliamp to get 20 uS.
At that point, I've told the generator to shut itself off, but even 1.2
volts will make CS, as will a few microamps..
At around 25 - 30 uS the voltage rise at a constant current rate goes non
linear with particle production as added together solubility limits are
surpassed....and conductivity rise slows WAY down.
What causes particle production at any given spot can well be an
environmental variable beyond an operators control and making decent CS
beyond normal solubility limits is iffy at best.
I can see where a semi conductive deposit layer could self regulate the
concentration if the max voltage is low enough. [Breakover limiting]
Now and then, a deposit caused feedback loop can do that with iffy water
even at higher voltages.
Rather than adding more ions to the water increasing conductivity, it
just makes thicker and thicker deposits, self regulating into a mess if let
go long enough.
Apparently, not all contaminants that can affect the process are
conductive before the process changes them, hence won't register on a meter
when checking water quality.
A low meter reading at start only means the water is "probably" pure...and
anything that can happen, will happen.
The one thing that doesn't change is the apparatus [if set up in a
repeatable manner], so if any problems crop up, look at water and other
contamination possibilities even to include a fingerprint after eating some
odd thing yesterday.
It doesn't take much to start a feedback loop reaction chain.
Sometimes, "what" is in the water counts more than "how much" ....and
there's no way to tell "what" without megabucks worth of lab equipment.
[Doesn't matter anyhow. If it ain't "right", toss it and do something else
till it is. ]
My rule of thumb: If it looks good, it is good. [And what looks good is
mere opinion ]
Is pale yellow bad? Probably not. Deep dark
yellow? mmmmm....maybe. If that's what you have and you need something,
use it.
I think we can all agree that black, green, purple, red or brown "mud",
doesn't look good. LOL
But even then, could be better than nothing when you have a bad case of
food poisoning.
I'd use boiled dirty stagnant pond water, a 60% silver coin with jumper
cables and a car battery made in a hubcap over nothing, in that case..
The lower voltage favors the silver over all the other metals...that's how
ultra pure refining is done. [Boiled, to kill muticellular parasites that
CS could make quite healthy.]
Err on the side of caution.
Risks are relative to threat.
You can get away with a lot, short term.
Not so great, beats not at all.
'Druther use a sniper rifle, but a hand grenade will work to put venison
on the table in hard times.
Dead bugs is dead bugs, no matter what killed em that didn't kill you.
You can always do better, later, when now is what counts.
..then ....have the luxury of arguing about what *better* is. [wink]
Bottom line:
IMO
You have figured out how to make what you have, work pretty darned good.
" Conga rats " and have at it, Smarty Pants.... [That's a complement]
How's that go??
Many ways to skin a cat....and the cat doesn't like any of them.
Ode
At 05:13 PM 6/17/2008 -0400, you wrote:
Dear Ode:
I have found what you say to be true.
With my generator design, that is with the 3 volt, ultra low voltage and low
current, the positive electrode wire becomes slightly black. One slight
disadvantage of using such low voltage is that poor quality distilled water
will turn the positive electrode very black and stop the process and the
generator will not make colloidal silver. Probably the high voltage of
standard generators breaks down this layer. On the other hand it might be a
good thing because why make colloidal silver with poor quality water. The
other interesting thing that happens using low voltage and low current is
that the solution saturates with ions at 13.5 PPM and after that the excess
ions come out of the solution and become metallic silver crystals adhering
to the negative electrode. I tell my customers that when they see some
silver fuzz one the negative electrode, they are done. After a few days you
can see a beautiful upside down Christmas tree hanging from the negative
electrode. The typical reading on the Hanna PWT will be 5uS after 1 day,
15uS after 2 days, 17uS, 18uS, 20us, and so on. There seems to be a
limiting phenomenon where the ion content of the solution remains constant
while day by day the particle content increases slightly. The size of the
particles is 2 to 3 nanometers. It is interesting that the Hanna PWT
displays a 1 to 1 relationship with the PPM silver concentration.
I would be very interested to have you run some test on the generator to see
what you think. If you would send me your address I will send you a
generator to play with.
Jim Meissner www.MeissnerResearch.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Ode Coyote [mailto:odecoy...@alltel.net]
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 10:24 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS>Info about the best generatrorfor collodial
>
## but
they're not metallic particles until they .....pick up an electron.
But free electrons don't exist in water.
It's possible that electrons can gather on the surface of glass, acting as
a capacitor, coming from electromagnetic radiation being converted into
electrons by the semi metallic and metallic components of the glass acting
like a [bad] solar cell...thus, you may see some silver plate out build up
on the glass as silver ions are being made metallic.
A Harvard study pointed to the surface of glass as being a crystal
nucleation site where particles form and grow into clusters.
If you illuminate and magnify a CS making chamber and don't stir the water,
if there is enough [DC] current flowing, you'll see brownish gold particles
streaming off one electrode and white ones streaming off the other.
The streams sink towards each other but vanish where they contact the
glass at the bottom.
At that spot a silver mirror will form with a black oxide spot on one
side of it and a white hydroxide spot on the other.
Why? I dunno. Maybe this, maybe that and maybe a combination of both
with other things thrown in...like..electrons on the glass surface?
If current is reduced, the golden stream doesn't form.
Why?
Most likely because almost all the oxides stay stuck to the electrode.
Every time I've seen that golden stream, I made golden CS.
Ode
>EIS/CS forms silver ions in solution which are single atoms of silver...
but
>they're not metallic particles until they happen to get together. the
>particulate portion of EIS/CS varies in particle size, some of them surely
>being as small as is possible, but they tend to grow over time eventually
>falling out.
>so then we come back to which works, particles or ions? or which works
best?
>again & again, ad nauseum.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jim Meissner yahoo [mailto:jpmeiss...@yahoo.com]
> > Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 5:32 PM
> > To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> > Subject: RE: CS>Info about the best generatrorfor collodial
> >
> >
> > Dear Mary Ellen:
> >
> > Click on the link
> >
> > http://meissnerresearch.com/products/silver-generator
> >
> > No, not all generators are alike.
> > There are no generators that will produce a particle the size of an
atom.
> >
> > Frank Key, has developed a method that produces the smallest particle
> > possible and that is a group of atoms about .75 nanometers in
> > size. He has
> > done some research that says that the smaller particle means more
surface
> > area and best effects.
> >
> > Mesosilver page: http://www.purestcolloids.com/mesosilver.htm
> >
> > Jim Meissner www.MeissnerResearch.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mary Ellen Murphy [mailto:maryelle...@bellsouth.net]
> > Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 12:46 PM
> > To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> > Subject: CS>Info about the best generatrorfor collodial
> >
> >
> > Can some one please tell me which is the best generator to make
colloidal
> > silver and does the particle size matter. I was told that it did not and
a
> > lot of people do not know what I am talking about and saY that an
> > atom is a
> > as small as you can get and that's what they all do.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Mary Ellen
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jim Meissner yahoo [mailto:jpmeiss...@yahoo.com]
> > Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 10:50 AM
> > To: Silver-List@Eskimo.Com
> > Subject: FW: CS>Desperately need help with Lyme
> >
> > Dear Mike:
> >
> > I have not been reading the CS group for quite a while, but Carol
> > alerted me
> > to the Lyme discussion going on. A long story very short, Carol
> > got bitten
> > by a tick and proved to be a willing test subject to help me design a
new
> > way of treating Lyme disease. Take a look at the link
> >
> > http://meissnerresearch.com/products/dougplus .
> >
> > Carol is a great researcher and found that Lyme will mimic 200 other
> > diseases. We discovered that Carol has been suffering from Lyme
> > for over 14
> > years and was being treated for a variety of illnesses. It took about 6
> > months of daily treatments with the DougPlus for Carol to feel
> > like she was
> > 90% recovered and possibly one year to be 100%.
> >
> > During that time she was consuming 32 ounces of colloidal silver every
day
> > for 3 or 4 months. She found that when she dropped back to a
> > lower dosage,
> > her herx, fever and chills, would get worse. Please note this high
dosage
> > should only be done with well made colloidal silver
> >
> > http://meissnerresearch.com/products/silver-generator
> >
> > containing only nano size particles. My generator was tested by Frank
Key
> > who makes the smallest possible particles of 0.75 nanometer as found in
> > MesoSilver.
> >
> > Anyway I would like to ask if it would be OK to post the DougPlus link
on
> > your CS group?
> >
> > Jim Meissner www.MeissnerResearch.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com]
> > Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 10:09 AM
> > To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> > Subject: Re: CS>Desperately need help with Lyme
> >
> > Mary Ellen Murphy wrote:
> > > What type of symtoms did you have. I suffer with a lot of
> > pain, fagigue,
> > > brain fog, back and neck problems, thyroid and addison's disease,
sleep
> > > apnea, depression. Gosh I could go on. I want to get rid of
> > this. This
> > is
> > > a
> > > miserable existence.
> > >
> > >
> > All of the above except Addison's, plus a weird pulling sensation on the
> > top of my scalp, insomnia, yet falling asleep when I was trying to stay
> > awake, and later arthritis.
> >
> > Marshall
> > > Mary Ellen
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Dave
> > > [mailto:ddar...@centurytel.net]
> > > Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 6:55 PM
> > > To:
> > > silver-list@eskimo.com
> > > Subject: Re: CS>Desperately need help with Lyme
> > >
> > > Mary Ellen:
> > > I had late Lyme for 42 years, a long time before they even
> > > named it.
> > > Besides the usual problems I got to the point where I couldn't even
> > > put
> > > a sentence together. Speaking to anyone became a major problem that
> > > still remains a problem though not so pronounced. Some call it
> > brain fog.
> > >
> > > Well to get to the help you need I will tell you how I got rid of
it
> > > (the lyme).
> > > I wasn't into CS at that time so after hearing about it I bought
> > > two 16
> > > ounce bottles and a generator and started taking the small
> > > tablespoon
> > > full as was the wisdom at that time. After using up one of the bottles
> > > with no relief I thought it was all bull so I chugged the other bottle
> > > all
> > > at once.
> > > At that my generator arrived so I made a batch and started taking
> > > it at
> > > the rate of four ounces every twenty minutes. I figured if it
> > > killed me
> > > it was for the better. What happened was on the third day of this
> > > regimen I awoke in the middle of the night with a vigorous feeling of
> > > well
> > > being.
> > >
> > > The Lyme was gone but a long recovery was ahead as all the damage
> > > wasn't
> > > over.
> > >
> > > Incidently I had seen a doctor just before this and he took
> > > blood for
> > > testing at my insistance and it came back positive with two
> > > bands, after
> > > the CS I went back for another Lyme test and It came back
> > > negative.
> > > Dave
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Mary Ellen Murphy wrote:
> > >
> > >> I am a new member. I am
> > >>
> > > trying to find out info about Lyme and how to use
> > >
> > >> the silver, with
> > >>
> > > diatamatious earth to get rid of Lyme
> > >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> I have also gotten info about the
> > >>
> > > terminator zapper. Has anyone had
> > > success
> > >
> > >> using these products to get
> > >>
> > > rid of Lyme.
> > >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> I am presently taking the cumanda and burber
> > >>
> > > protocol.
> > >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> How do you read arhives with this site. I was
> > >>
> > > referred by Wolfcreek,
> > >
> > >> suppliers of diatamaitous earth
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Thanks
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: oha...@juno.com
> > >>
> > > [mailto:oha...@juno.com]
> > >
> > >> Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 2:06 PM
> > >> To:
> > >>
> > > silver-list@eskimo.com
> > >
> > >> Subject: Re: CS>How to use site
> > >>
> > >> The site you are in
> > >>
> > > touch with - silver-list@eskimo.com - the archives
> > >
> > >> are down so all you
> > >>
> > > have
> > >
> > >> to do is to pose a question on what you would like information on
> > >>
> > > and
> > >
> > >> there are many of us
> > >> here ready to assist -
> > >> Regards
> > >> Sandee
> > >>
> > >> Peace is easy . . . It is a mind set
> > >> www.aliveagaingrenada.com
> > >>
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