What can I say Malcolm, you all have been of invaluable assistance. I think I have three analogies now of which I am beginning to get a better understanding of the electronics of CS units. I have only made the basic units but have always had in the back of my mind looking into current limiters as a result of all I have researched. I am sort of contradicting myself here because I have stated in the past that I wanted it simple, but now I am beginning to see that it is relatively simple, one just needs a basic knowledge of the electronic workings of them.

I see now what some of you have been saying about ppm meters, but I still stand by what I said regarding the 'man in the street' being able to test his CS in the home using these meters though, it may not be as accurate as watching the current but at least he gets an idea of whats happening.

I will shortly look into making another generator incorporating a current limiter.

I'm going to ask about 'spiking' voltage a little later as well.  Be ready!

Many Thanks Malcolm, and to all, (and hope those of you I am speaking of read this also), who have given me analogies and assistance of which I can read an absorb.

If you will excuse me, I'm off to study these now. Maybe catch you on the morrow.

Neville.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Malcolm" <s...@asis.com>
To: <silver-list@eskimo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 6:40 PM
Subject: Re: CS>TO WHOM IT CONCERNS.


Hi Neville,
"to whom it concerns"?  You, I think,<g>.  Anyway, I'll take a shot at
this; think of electricity as analogous to water; think of voltage as
the pressure the water has tending to force it through, well, whatever;
a hose (wire) a nozzle (resistor), a large or small pipe (big or small
wire,and hence able to carry more or less water (electricity)) at that
pressure (voltage), and also how quickly you can fill a bucket given
that hose, nozzle, water pressure and size of bucket - (aahhh, the
amps, or amperes, or milliamps, or microamps, etc.; the quantity of
electricity flowing).

In the above, keep in mind that 'water' in this illustration has nothing
at all to do with the water used in making colloidal silver; here it's
just a handy way to give some sense of what these odd terms like volts,
milliamps, and such represent.  Also for the moment we will skip any
detailed consideration of how fast the electricity is moving - for
purposes of the analogy "it" is moving at virtually the speed of light,
and always does.  we'll also skip how fast ions move in solution and
other arcane and seemingly contradictory stuff for now, you're already
getting about the first month of a beginning course on electricity in a
few minutes.

OK, back to the analogy then, double the pressure behind the hose, leave
the nozzle the same, and you will get twice the amperage (err, water in
the bucket) in the same amount of time.  Or, open the nozzle to twice
the size with the same pressure behind it and, voila! twice the water in
the same amount of time. [unless you've got a kink in the hose, aka a
big resistor in your circuit. . . ]

On to the magic of CS (Colloidal Silver).  The - we hope pure - water
used to make CS is not what comes out of the hose.  Even if it had been
pure before it went into the hose it might very well not be when it came
out, so I'll not muddy the water further [sorry, almost] except to point
out that pure H2O has a Very high resistance to the passage of
electricity - Unlike the water from most domestic water supplies, which
conducts electricity well enough to give people standing barefoot in it
a nasty shock if they touch the wrong thing.

Very high resistance results in very little electricity moving through
the water with the silver wires hanging in it.  The flow of electricity,
measured in amps, or milliamps, is at first extremely small and as it
flows off one wire, it begins to pull small bits of silver, as molecules
or ions, off of the wire into the water; and as that happens the water
becomes more conductive or to put it the other way, to have less
resistance.  After all, now it has some ions which  'impurify' the
water, allowing electricity to flow more easily from wire to wire.  This
process can become runaway, allowing more and more electric current to
flow until the water does indeed become muddy, with Large particles of
silver torn off the wire by the large current flow.

This is not what we want, so it behooves us to limit the rate at which
the current can flow down to a small consistent amount, perhaps a
milliamp or only several hundred microamps.  On the other hand, at first
the resistance is So high that it seems to take forever to get the first
few ions and particles of silver into the water, so we tend to raise the
voltage (electrical pressure) on the wire initially to cause more
electric current flow and get those first few into the water speedily.

There are electronic circuits which can sense how much electric current
is flowing, and also limit it to some preselected value; and one of the
ways they manage this throttling is by controlling the electric pressure
(aka voltage) allowed through them to the silver wire.

All for now, hope this helps; M.



On Tue, 2008-09-02 at 16:32 +0930, Neville wrote:
OK people, by George I do believe I have finally got it.  I have been
digesting all of this while you were all making 'zeds' and now the
light bulb has finally lit.

If I understood electricity better I would have seen it earlier.

Current is high when first starting and gradually falls as production
proceeds.  What is required is a 'current limiter' so that when enough
time has passed and the process gets to the current limiter
rating...that is the time to stop production.  As I suggested to
someone earlier, I'm sorry but I can't remember who so no offence
meant, "voltage is just the means to an end".

This is what stumped me on the weekend... I hooked the amp meter on
and the reading never stopped, it kept...damn, I am going to have to
check that again, but I think it kept going down.  Now I understand
what is going on.  I set everything up using tap water to get instant
results, or readings if you like, and the reading was changing almost
every second.  I expected it to remain the same.  AH HA!!  If what I
have stated here is correct then........I  HAVE FINALLY GOT IT SUSSED!
I didn't realise just how 'blunt' this knife was!

No good me talking to a 'sparky' as it was all goggledeegook to me.

I now eagerly await your awakening with the hope that you will agree
that I now know what is going on.  You can't imagine my elation that I
now see how damn simple it is. DUH!!

I needed to have it explained it in it's simplest form.  Other people
I have spoken to must practice the old addage..."If you can't convince
'em, confuse 'em".  I still can't believe how simple it is, if I am
right.  Jeez, how thick am I ?...alright, I'm not looking for an
answer to that!

Neville.



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