On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 12:08:32PM -0400, Ode Coyote wrote: > > > If the container is non reactive
That would have to include the lid of course. :) > there is little air space and all you > have is water, water byproducts and silver..which ISN'T photo reactive, > then it has nothing to change into. Yes, but litlle air space isn't zero air space, and your container is bound to contain *something* besides pure H2O and silver ions. > You do get some silver hydroxide formation after a few days, but once > the EIS has "stabilized", it stays the same, light or dark. If it is perfectly sealed, perhaps. Otherwise no. > If the EIS was made past the saturation points, it may continue to > stabilize for a month or so and make compounds out of dissolved water > byproduct gasses, none of which are photo reactive. > In that case, you'll see a visual change...generally gone yellow. Actually, *any* visual change implies chemical reaction, usually induced or facilitated by light or heat. > You cannot make a vacuum in a container full of water...vapor will fill > it to saturation. Practically all commercially distributed carbonated beverages ship in gas-tight packaging... :) > If the internal pressure is the same as the external, there's no reason for > any gases to exchange though a seal. That is incorrect, fluctuation in barometric pressure does cause gas to pass through, otherwise airtight packaging would rarely be necessary. I'm sorry, but I'm afraid I just can't agree with your premises nor your conclusion on this one. I'll have to stand by my original statement: You have not come close to proving that your ionic silver solution was unchanged after five years, and frankly it would be a miracle if you did end up with that result. indi > > > At 02:33 PM 10/10/2008 -0400, you wrote: >> On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 01:57:20PM +0000, M. G. Devour wrote: >> > Someone asks Ken: >> > > >> What mehod did you use to verify that it was still ionic and >> > > >> unchanged? >> > >> > Ken wrote: >> > > > ## EC meter. >> > > > Colloids don't conduct electricity. >> > >> > Indi replies: >> > > That is incorrect. Even tap water will conduct electricity. >> >> > >> >> What I mean is that measuring for conductivity is no guarantee of ionic >> silver specifically, particularly if the solution in question is five years >> old. Truly gas-tight containers certainly exist, but are not the norm (that's >> the reason sealed packaging exists). If you place your solution in a bottle >> or jar and just screw the lid on, five years later you will have had >> all sorts >> of chemical activity going on in that container. (unless it was stored in >> the dark in a vacuum, and the cap as well as the container is glasss). >> You can >> measure for conductivity, but that will not give proof of a given >> solution being >> "unchanged". >> >> I don't mean to get into an argument or anything, but it's just the way >> things are. Ionic solutions are volatile (have a short shelf life), and are >> photo-sensitive by nature. That is why medicinal ionic solutions (for >> insstance those commonly known as "iodine" and "mercurachrome") always came >> packaged in brown glass bottles. >> >> When someone tells me he kept some ionic solution for five years and >> measuring for conductivity "proved" the solution was still pristine, >> I feel obligated to point out that he has not proved that at all. >> It is hard enough to determine proper facts in this field of study, after >> all. >> >> BTW, one can easily test this at home; measure the conductivity of a jar of >> plain distilled water, then store the jar for a few months, then >> measure again. >> You will see much more conductivity after. :) >> >> >> -- >> The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. >> >> Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org >> >> To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com >> >> Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com >> >> The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... >> >> List maintainer: Mike Devour <mdev...@eskimo.com> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.0/1721 - Release Date: >> 10/12/2008 12:00 PM >
