Hello Ode, They make a big deal about the oxide on the outside of their silver particles. Then they mention that they are adding H2O2. Does the H2O2 play a part in the oxidation?
The ships I have been on use chlorine and carry bottled water for drinking... I am still doing research on the silver filters. What I have run across so far is ceramic filters with silver impregnated into them. If they are large enough and the flow is right, they can kill pathogens in the water. We are back to a concentration of silver in contact with the pathogen for a period of time. I work in the scientific community. Yes it is possible to "color" a report to emphasize a particular point, however, most scientists will include data, and that is the equalizer. You start with the data and then see if the conclusions are supported by the data. The difficult thing to know is if all the data is included... I will have to pick up a bottle of the "nano-catalytic" silver particles with a "tetrasilver tetroxide coating" that "emit a frequency that kills microbes" and hold it up to my ear and see if I can hear anything... :) Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ode Coyote" <odecoy...@windstream.net> To: <silver-list@eskimo.com> Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 8:11 AM Subject: Re: CS>moon on fingernails? -- how much do you use? > If silver-tet works it's because it emits or exposes silver ions on a > molecular level. > Filters stay sterile because the ion exchange resins emit [exchange] ions > and/or make ions on the surface of the resin that contact the water. [in > which a bio film would grow] > If they emit enough ions, or if all of the water contacts the resin > surface, then the water becomes sterile as well. > > Potable water sterilization systems on merchant marine ships are no > different than our CS generators. > It doesn't use silver coated filters. > > Just try and get an electromagnetic frequency to travel in water like it > would in space, then tell submariners about it 'cause they'd love to know > and get away from ELF that's slow enough for the pulse ionization of sea > water to make a detectable difference. If that's not the case then the > wave is long enough to find "space" between water molecules...but then it > has to miss a whole lot of water molecules. > .....anything that has to do with electrons in a liquid is pretty much ionic. > > A "Zapper" makes acid and base electrochemical byproducts out of the salt > ions in the blood to transfer electrons around. > > > Scientist often write reports based on what those who pay them want to > prove...and...hide. > Leave a little detail out ? > It just sounds different without changing the principles. > > Cars are more complicated than bicycles and they aren't the same thing, > but they both move on wheels and *do* the same thing the same way. [roll] > > Ode > > > > At 02:51 PM 2/7/2010 -0800, you wrote: > >Hello Ode, > > > >Thank you so much for sharing the name of David A. Revelli. He, and Brigam > >Young University, have been involved in a lot of testing that puts CS in a > >very favorable light. > > > >However, the water test was done with "nano-catalytic" silver particles with > >a "tetrasilver tetroxide coating" that "emit a frequency that kills > >microbes." I am not sure the EIS that you and I make shares these > >qualities. > > > >http://www.hempusa.org/ABL/General_Studies/Ionic_vs._Metallic_and_Particle_ Size.pdf > > > >I am somewhat familiar with water treatment. I will have to do some more > >studying, but I was under the impression that the silver used for water > >filters was to prevent biofilm from growing between batch use of the > >filters. I don't think it is used to actually prufiy the water, but rather > >to keep it from becoming contaminated during the filtering process. > > > >The Brigam Young people have also run tests indicating that their silver > >doesn't seem to effect healthy intestinal flora bacteria while still being > >effective at killing pathogenic bacteria. Interesting... > > > >http://www.hempusa.org/ABL/Safety_Studies/Selective%20Antimicrobial%20Activ ity%20of%20ASAP-AGX-32%20Silver%20Solution%20against%20Probiotics%20%28Dr.%2 0Ron%20Leavitt%29.pdf > > > >Tom > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Ode Coyote" <odecoy...@windstream.net> > >To: <silver-list@eskimo.com> > >Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 5:18 AM > >Subject: Re: CS>moon on fingernails? -- how much do you use? > > > > > > > Brigham Young University did a detailed time/PPM/kill study. > > > Don't recall details well, but [probably] as little as 3 PPB sterilized > > > water over some period of time, where 3 PPM did it a lot faster. > > > > > > David A. Revelli > > > Microbiologist > > > Brigham Young University > > > Dr. Ron W. Leavitt, Ph.D. > > > Professor of Microbiology/Molecular Biology > > > > > > Commercial silver ion water treatment systems have been available for > > > decades and are used by the merchant marines, various airlines, NASA., > >some > > > water treatment plants both in the USA and Russia. > > > Honeywell Rockwell and others us "Ag-Ion" [TM] silver ion exchange > >resins > > > to keep filters sterile. > > > Curad silver bandaids work by using body fluids as the electrolyte to > > > make silver ions migrate from a silver fabric layer to an aluminum fabric > > > layer. [Battery effect] > > > > > > > > > http://www.silverinstitute.org/medical_applications.php > > > The newest trend is the use of nano-silver particles to deliver silver > >ions. > > > > > > ANY chemical reaction involves the exchange of ions [??] > > > I sorta recall hearing that the the whole field of chemistry can be > > > expressed in electrical terms. > > > > > > Copper and zinc [and many other] ions will also kill germs. > > > > > > ode > > > > > > > > > At 01:52 PM 2/6/2010 -0800, you wrote: > > > > > > > >Hello Steve, > > > > > > > >I am begining to realize that the exact mechanism of how silver works > > > >inside the body is still a "little" theoritical... > > > > > > > >Let's jump outside the body for just a moment. Other sanatizers require > >a > > > >concentration of the product to be in contact with the pathogen for a > > > >period of time. With chlorine dioxide, for example, the CT values allow > > > >you to adjust the process time for the concentration you are using. When > > > >disinfecting wilderness water, I use a CT of 1000 mg-minutes/liter. When > > > >I mix up a 4 PPM chlorine dioxide solution, I know that to sanatize a > > > >liter of water it is going to take 250 minutes. If I have lots of time, > > > >and am concerned with better taste, I can reduce the concentration to 2 > > > >PPM chlorine dioxide, and extend the time out to 500 minutes. > > > > > > > >Does anything like this exist for EIS? > > > > > > > >Tom > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: <mailto:stephen.nor...@ngc.com>Norton, Steve > > > >To: <mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>silver-list@eskimo.com > > > >Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 2:59 PM > > > >Subject: Re: CS>moon on fingernails? -- how much do you use? > > > > > > > >I was skirting this because it is a secondary issue. Silver ions are very > > > >active and will form compounds with the first substance it can. Silver > > > >ions do not survive the digestive system as free ions. They probably > >react > > > >with stomach acid to primarily form silver chloride. The silver may also > > > >react with other substances such as ammopnia to form other compounds. But > > > >they do not remain as silver ions. > > > >- Steve N > > > > > > > > > > > >---------- > > > >From: poast <po...@prodigy.net> > > > >To: silver-list@eskimo.com <silver-list@eskimo.com> > > > >Sent: Fri Feb 05 16:03:24 2010 > > > >Subject: Re: CS> > > > > > > > >Hello Steve, > > > > > > > >OK, I am beginning to understand. > > > > > > > >I have looked at the Altman paper, but have not studied it. I will take > > > >another look at it, in detail. > > > > > > > >If I may present a somewhat weak argument... > > > > > > > >Doesn't it stand to reason that if you take more, you will not only > >ingest > > > >more ions, but also more particles. Perhaps the elimination through the > > > >kidney is just because there is more of both in the body... > > > > > > > >Back to the books, for now. > > > > > > > >Thanks. > > > > > > > >Tom > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: <mailto:stephen.nor...@ngc.com>Norton, Steve > > > >To: <mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>silver-list@eskimo.com > > > >Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 10:43 AM > > > >Subject: CS> > > > > > > > >Tom, > > > > > > > >I am not suggesting daily use over use as needed. There was a time when I > > > >first used EIS I used it several times a day. It allowed me to get off a > > > >long term dependence on antibiotics. Now I take it when I think I need > >it. > > > > > > > >As to why I think that large doses of EIS do not significantly increase > > > >the effectiveness of EIS is a little more complex and somewhat > > > >controversial. It has to do with how EIS is processed in the body. The > > > >best clue to that comes from the Altman Silver Excretion Study. You can > > > >find the study at the Silver Medicine web site. Unfortunately the study > > > >pnly provides clues but not definitive answers. That is where the > > > >interpretation I mentioned in may previous post is important. > > > > > > > >IMO the important issue is whether the silver eliminated by the kidney is > > > >is in solution or particulate form. Silver in solution is far more active > > > >than silver in particulate form. There are varying opinions on that > > > >question. One of the more popular theories is that it is a soluble > > > >silver/ammonia compound is formed and since it contains ammonia it is > > > >removed by the kidney. However I have found that one of the most likely > > > >ammonia compounds, Ag(NH3)2, is eliminated by the liver and not the > > > >kidney. While I cannot say it with absolute certainly, my research > > > >indicates that all silver compounds in solution are removed by the liver. > > > > > > > >For various reasons it appaers that taking large ammounts of EIS > > > >predominately increases the amount of silver that excretes through the > > > >kidney which is therefore the much less effective particulate form. So I > > > >suggested two complementary methods that will increase the silver that is > > > >in solution while reducing the amount in particulate form. One is holding > > > >additional EIS in the mouth to allow transport of silver ions through the > > > >mucosal tissues without swallowing. The other is contained in the note > > > >regarding the use of Gatortade. > > > >I hope this helps. > > > > > > > > - Steve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: poast <po...@prodigy.net> > > > >To: silver-list@eskimo.com <silver-list@eskimo.com> > > > >Sent: Fri Feb 05 11:03:13 2010 > > > >Subject: Re: CS>moon on fingernails? -- how much do you use? > > > > > > > >Hello Steve, > > > > > > > >I am totally new to EIS, so please be gentle with me... > > > > > > > >Your opinion seems to be that the best use EIS is to maintain a level in > >the > > > >body through daily use. You also indicate that you don't think that a > >large > > > >dose of EIS is effective. > > > > > > > >As I ponder this I find myself finding it difficult to understand. It > >would > > > >seem that if your body was "invaded" by a bunch of "bad guys" they would > > > >overwhelm the "good guys" in your body, and an influx of a large "good > >guy" > > > >army would help win the war. > > > > > > > >I know this is over simplified, but isn't the idea to expose the "bad > >guys" > > > >to a concentration of the EIS? > > > > > > > >I am probably missing a lot, but any "big picture" concepts would be > >greatly > > > >appreciated. > > > > > > > >Tom > > > > > > > > > -- > > > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > > > > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > > > > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > > > > > > The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... > > > > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour <mdev...@eskimo.com> > > > > > > >
