Ode Coyote wrote:
By what mechanism could low voltage current travel in a liquid
environment other than ionic electro-chemicals?
Even neurotransmitters work that way...just higher speed chained
reactions is all.
High voltage establishes ionization paths.
Even Microwaves designed to cook things don't penetrate very far and
probably do most of the cooking via thermal conduction just like any
other oven.
[No, they don't heat from the inside out ]
Whether it cooks from the inside out or not depends on the relative
absorption of the layers. An egg, or meat that is covered with dry
breading will actually cook from the inside out because the shell or
breading absorbs almost no radiation and thus will not heat up except
from the thermal conduction from the inside.
Rife was observing effects on a microscope slide...very thin.
His tech may well have worked on larger samples [people] and he not
really know why.
Unless his electromagnetic beams were up there in the x ray frequency
ranges that could make it between water molecules. ..Ionizing Induction?
The frequencies are too low to be ionizing. The electromagnetic wave
does not have to be of x-ray frequency, it induces current into the
body, just like a zapper or pulser does. It could be through of as a
pulser which covers a larger area AND is frequency tunable.
What does "ionizing radiation" mean? Ionize "what" into what...how ?
Ionize means sufficient energy in a particle to cause the an electron to
get knocked out of its orbit, making the atom it comes from a positive
ion, and where it ends up a negative ion. Particles of such energy can
break up DNA as well.
Even most *nuclear* radiation is stopped by thin wet surfaces.
Depends on what it is. X-Rays and gamma rays can penetrate anywhere
from inches to feet of most substances. Alphas can be stopped by a
sheet of paper and might travel an inch in air, betas will travel
further, maybe 1/4 inch of paper or a couple of feet in air depending on
the energy. Neutrons are odd, they will travel through inches of lead,
but be stopped by a fraction of an inch of heavy water.
I have yet to see any Zapper maker that has made the connection
between how a Zapper works, how electro-plating works and how a CS
generator works, when all of them are the exact same machine, just
applied to jars of different substances in water and using different
metals as electrodes.
Because that is not how they work. If it were, then they would not work
for those that use the damp cloth over the electrode like I do, and the
pulser which works the same way would not work either.
Disregard *what* they do for a moment and look at *how* they ALL do
it. What makes a Zapper different? Nothing.
Different than what?
Why a DC offset? Because AC would just chemically cancel itself if
the effect of the polarity change is slower than how fast the
chemical change can leave the area by blood flow in that surface.
Actually that is not true. I have done electrolysis on salt water many
times using AC, it works fine, nothing cancels out, and I get just as
much chlorine and hydrogen as when I used DC, except that they were
mixed instead of separate.
That burning of skin is not from heat.
That is correct, that is why one should use the wet towel, so you don't
get burned or exposed to the corrosive chemicals.
If it were a result of current flow like happens in a wire with
nothing but electrons bouncing around, the entire circuit would be at
least nearly the same temperature.
Try this: Put an analog milliam-meter in line with an electrode and
see if the current has a perceivable rise rate as electro-chemicals
build up concentration to transport more electrons around as ions in
ionic chemical compounds.
If you can *see* it go up, it's SLOW and wires don't act that way.
I don't think even a resistor slows the electrons down, it just blocks
some of them and turns the impact energy into heat.
Electrons actually speed up in a typical resistor. It, as you say
blocks some of them, so the others have to move faster to maintain the
same current.
If that were "heat" burn, a thermometer made for pipples would peg.
The skin can take 120 degrees F for extended periods of time, cooling
itself off with sweat evaporation.
See any sweat? [Well, given that the electrolyte used is so much like
sweat, how could you tell...concept firm but probably not
observable... BUT even then the PH would change and if it were nothing
but sweat/electrolyte, unchanged... it wouldn't. Check it out. ]
You are beating a dead horse. Burning from exposed electrodes is NOT
from heat. That is why one should use a wet towel over the electrode, it
prevents the burns, but the zapper still works fine even though the
products no longer make it to the skin. In view of that fact, you are
actually arguing my analysis and don't realize it.
Ode
At 11:46 AM 4/26/2010 -0400, you wrote:
Resonant frequencies will disrupt DNA. This has been show with Rife
technology. A square wave is the fourier sum of all multiples of
that frequency. Thus a square wave will cause the DNA of pathogens
to vibrate at their resonant frequency and break apart. Once broken
apart DNA tends to drift back together and rejoin unless there is an
electric field present to force separation of the parts. That is how
the zappers work. The principle is the same, but the method of
getting the quasi DC field is different between the Beck and Clark
zappers.
The Clark zapper uses a DC offset to give the field, that is it uses
pulsing DC. The Beck unit uses a low frequency so that the parts are
drawn sufficiently far apart that they cannot find each other during
one half cycle of the wave.
I don't think the electrochemical byproducts forming at the poles are
significant, since they would form on the surface of the skin, and
the zappers work quite well on internal parasites which would never
ever see these products.
Marshall
Ode Coyote wrote:
I don't think zappers actually "electrify" the blood.
What they do is manufacture electrochemical byproducts according to
what pole is ionizing [??] salt at that location.
One pole Sodium Hydroxide, alkalizing there...the other Hypochlorus
acid. [similar to MMS]
If I'm getting "Positive Offset" correctly...that would be pulsed DC.
The frequency of the DC pulse would then be an on/off [50/50 ?
]"duty cycle" to allow those chemicals to migrate faster than they
build up in the skin causing chemical burns.
A slower pulse would build up more before the blood in surface
capillaries washes it in deeper and dilutes it...pretty much a
matter of comfort level.
Voltage doesn't matter, it's current delivered over an area
[current density again]
With a higher voltage, you can deliver more current over a smaller
less conductive area.
How much at a given voltage depends on the conductivity of the
electrolyte on the pads or how wet and salty your skin and the size
of the electrodes and how far apart they are on the body.
I'd like to see a variable resistor or a pulse width modulator that
can go to maybe a 20/80 duty cycle to get control of that over all
current.
You can get red itchy skin [mild chemical burning] at only 1.2
volts...or no burning at 24 volts depending on how the electrodes
are configured.
Ode
At 02:13 PM 4/24/2010 +0100, you wrote:
I've been seriously considering buying a zapper and am toying
between these two. I'd really welcome any comments. Is there any
advantage to having the dual frequency? I can see the timer might
be a good idea.
<http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Zapper-Dual-freqency-of-30KHZ-2-5KHZ_W0QQitemZ150430846490QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Health_Beauty_Natural_AlternativeTherapies?hash=item2306608e1a>http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Zapper-Dual-freqency-of-30KHZ-2-5KHZ_W0QQitemZ150430846490QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Health_Beauty_Natural_AlternativeTherapies?hash=item2306608e1a
and
<http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Zapper-Dr-Hulda-Clark-with-built-in-electronic-timer_W0QQitemZ150433257357QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Health_Beauty_Natural_AlternativeTherapies?hash=item230685578d>http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Zapper-Dr-Hulda-Clark-with-built-in-electronic-timer_W0QQitemZ150433257357QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Health_Beauty_Natural_AlternativeTherapies?hash=item230685578d
I've also seen a 12v zapper. Is that one any better?
Any advice would be really welcome
Cheers
Kirsteen
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