Leo, Damn, I hate to get involved in commenting on commercially sold colloidal silvers. It is a frustrating no-win proposition. Let me say that I have no horse in this race. Personally I use several types of colloidal silver that I make myself. I sell no colloidal silver or related products. This will sound harsh, but I don't really care if you take silver or what silver you use. Ode and some others are more patient and giving than I am in their help because there are many sellers of colloidal silver and there many misrepresentations of colloidal silver. Especially by people selling colloidal silver trying to differentiate THEIR CS from everyone else's. But I want to support Ode's comments. There is so much misinformation on the Silver Sol site that it is hard to decide where to start. Plus it is mixed in with good information that muddles everything. Let's start with the following from the Guardian site:
"Guardian Silver works by four primary mechanisms: * The unique oxide coating of the elemental silver nano particle ruptures the outer membrane of bacteria by removing an electron from the cell wall, killing the bacteria on contact. * The silver nano particle emits a specific magnetic resonance-890-910 terahertz-which is selectively destructive to pathogens. * Supercharged silver sol particles magnetically interfere with the DNA of viruses, rendering them inactive and unable to replicate. * The outer chemical structure of Guardian Silver effectively disrupts the "communication" of intercellular activity." Guardian Silver consists of primarily silver particles. All silver particles work by releasing silver ions and it is the silver ions that are anti-microbial. Silver ions are not released from pure silver. In vivo, silver particles form silver oxide on its surface and it is the silver oxide that releases silver ions and provide the anti-microbial activity. Guardian Silver claims to pre-oxidize their silver particles by adding hydrogen peroxide to their CS when making it. That is the sum total of the uniqueness of their CS. There may be some benefit to pre-oxidizing the silver particles vs waiting for it to happen in vivo. Is it worth the cost? You will have to decide that. So the first and last bullets above apply to ALL colloidal silvers, including ionic silvers. For the second bullet, replace the word "magnetic" with "magic" in the text and you have a more accurate and understandable representation. For the third bullet, delete the word " magnetically" and you have a statement that applies to all colloidal silvers, including ionic silvers. I scanned through the technical data they provide and only have problems with the papers they have generated. I don't have time to correct all the misrepresentations but I would never do business with a company that so misrepresents their product as they do. You ask for hard science to rebut Silver Sol's claims but you start by accepting their crap data as fact until proven otherwise. As I said, I don't care what you use. Silver Sol is probably as good as any other particulate colloidal silver. - Steve N -----Original Message----- From: Ode Coyote [mailto:odecoy...@windstream.net] Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 4:25 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL:Re: CS>pederson's silver To unravel that mess would take a "tome" And it might work just fine. Better than dirt cheap easy to make Ionic Silver and colloidal byproducts ? Probably not. Even if there is a difference, is it worth the price difference and an expensive dependency on a salesman that minces the facts into complete nonsense? The most telling is the chart that lumps all colloidal silver forms in with ionic and claims that neither has a charge. It just ain't so. One flat out lie throws the whole speal into suspect land. Consider an intriguing comparison of this new silver sol vs. colloidal silver9. While one colloidal silver product was found to inhibit the growth of E. coli (bacteria that causes food poisoning, diarrhea, etc.) at concentrations of 1500 ppm, silver sol killed E. coli at a concentration of only 5 ppm. This makes the silver sol several hundred times more effective than comparable colloid solutions. ## Ionic silver does it at as little as 3 parts per billion. [BYU study] faster at 3 PPM..so just what is this "One Silver Product" that's so ineffective? ..a freekin chunk of SPOON ?? "colloid solution" NOT. It's either a colloidal suspension [by definition of colloid] or an ionic solution, or a mixture of both...two DIFFERENT things in the same container. Besides...That's NOT a "comparable colloid solution" [ignoring the mixing of terms]...unless.. it would have done the same job at 3PPM and 1500 was just overkill. Is inhibit the same result as kill ? E Coli has a short live span..if you inhibit growth, ie replication... it dies of old age in minutes with no babies. Dead colony is dead individuals. Dead is dead. I could go on for days about mis-directive use of language. It's hard enough to accurately express something that's true. "More doctors recommend this pill than all others combined" No doctors in their right minds would recommend combining all other pills ! Like...the Tower of Babble doesn't need DIFFERENT languages to be babble....language itself is enough to make nonsense with. [Our biggest barrier to communication, even when used honestly. ] Guardian Silver is super-charged with 10,000 volts AC current versus the 110 volt DC current of typical colloidal silver preparations. The result is a vastly superior silver sol with distinct characteristics, including the catalytic properties helpful for antimicrobial use. ## Voltage and current are different things, the statement mixes terms, calls one thing the same as the other and makes no sense at all. [Either an idiot, or a liar..take your pick ] "Typical" would be 27 volts and varying current..or a constant current and varying voltage. I don't know of ANYONE that uses 120 VDC unless it's split over a series of several cells...meaning NOT... 120 VDC anywhere but at the power supply. "Typical" would be 120 volts into a power supply , which has nothing to do with the actual generation of ions....and 6 to 36 volts DC out to the generator. The only difference between 12 volts and 10,000 volts, given the same current, is the velocity of the ions.... and ions are ions are ions, are defined by a specific charge by way of extra or missing electrons and cannot be "Super-charged" and still be that substance. Atomic Electron Shell charge and electrical voltage charge, like in a capacitor, are not the same things. Even if you could "Supercharge" a liquid, [and that charge not bleed off in transport] it would shock your mouth when you try to drink it as the static electrical charge potentials instantly equalize...gone before it ever gets in. The only reason to use 10,000 volts when using 60 Hz AC is to get the ions moving fast enough to get far enough away from the electrodes so the polarity reversal doesn't just suck them back on. 10,000 volts AC at what Frequency???? It doesn't make any given ion different than the parameters that define what they are. A silver ion that's made with 10,000 volts is the exact same as one made with 1.2 volts. If you drive a car at 5 MPH or 100 MPH, it's still the same car...it didn't turn into a high rise apartment building. A lot of words, zero information and a whole bunch of misleading dis-information for the ignorant to sucker down. My apple is better than your orange because those lemons are purple...and they're all really made out of plaster. Bullshit. Plain and simple. Is the "product" any good? Maybe. The shyster salesman sucks. Ode At 08:51 AM 8/18/2010 -0600, you wrote: >Okay, Jim, Ode, now that you have weighed in with "intuition" and "Mixed >terms, lies, misdirection, purposeful confusion and plain old BS", how >about some hard science that might actually help unenlightened laymen? >Leo > >---------- > -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: <mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe> Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: <mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com> List Owner: Mike Devour <mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com>
