It would seem that a larger metallic particle would be made smaller,
then maybe absorb before it completes the process. [and don't burp around
matches ]
What happens to AgOH which is what most particles are in EIS ? [AgOH +
HCl> AgCl + H2O ?? ]
Gee, you'd think that everything you ate would turn into a Pinto Chloride
of something and methane....then what happens?
Fulminating Silver theory ?? [bang]
Pass the bean salt please. [poot]
Last night on F'nScience, they made fireworks out of Chlorine Dioxide gas.
[using sodium chlorite and formaldehyde]
So, MMS is an explosive too?
..will ceasers never wonder.
Ode
At 07:13 PM 8/23/2010 -0500, you wrote:
I tried to post this last Saturday but the servers wouldn't let me.
I know my previous post was brief. But working on a Blackberry is a pain
for me. And since I can't specify plaintext with the Blackberry, the
message quickly gets too large.
The brevity was not to try and cut off discussion. I knew my comment on
silver oxide (SO) could be controversial and I hoped for feedback from others.
I had wondered about SO and getting through the stomach and so I looked
for information on the web. As you know, a balanced equation for a
reaction doesn't tell you everything. For example, does the reaction
require heat, a certain concentration or a long reaction time?
I was confident regarding SO that is in solution but not as sure about SO
bound to a silver particle and if the bound SO would be in HCl long enough
to be converted. From what I have read, transition times through the
stomach are typically 1 to 3 hours with liquids at the low end. That
seemed like enough time to me.
There was a reason I included reduction of the SO to metallic silver as
one of the possible reactions. I saw somewhere on the net that could
happen. But I did not bookmark the site and I have not been able to found
it again. It is entirely possible that I read it wrong, esp. since I was
on the BB.
To further cloud the issue is particle size. I have found a multitude of
claimed particle sizes for Silver Solutions. The patent claims 50% of
particles are less than 15 nm. A safety analysis claims 2.34 nm particle
size. And the Guardian Silver Sol vs Colloidal Silver page claims 0.05 to
0.1 nm particle size. It would be nice if they would stick to one story.
Those particle sizes would VERY roughly equate to the following quantities
of silver atoms in a silver particle:
* 1 nm, approx 30 atoms
* 2.34, nm approx 400 atoms
* 15 nm, approx 100,000 atoms
The reason I mention the no. of atoms is the following report:
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6WHR-4KH3YG7-4&_user=10&_coverDate=11%2F15%2F2006&_rdoc=1&_fmt=high&_orig=search&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_searchStrId=1439291768&_rerunOrigin=google&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=e304987661638df02433931cbf54d7f4
High chemical reactivity of silver nanoparticles toward hydrochloric acid
"High chemical reactivity of Ag nanoparticles was observed in the reaction
with hydrochloric acid: Ag (nanoparticles) +HCI -> AgCl + H-2; the
reaction product silver chloride was characterized by X-ray powder
diffraction to give a direct evidence for the reaction which has been
proved impossible for the bulk Ag."
I don't have access to the full report but even 15 nm is well within the
definition of a nanoparticle (< or = to 100 nm). But is 100,000 atoms too
large a particle to convert? This would indicate that stomach acid could
potentially convert ALL silver in EIS and nanoparticle colloidal silvers,
such as Mesosilver, to AgCl. It would also seem that HCl would not then
have a problem converting all the silver and silver oxide in Silver Sol
(Silver Solutions, ASAP, etc.) to AgCl as well.
I am not a chemist, so does anyone care to speculate?
Thanks,
Steve N
----- Original Message -----
From: Norton, Steve [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2010 11:04 AM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re:CS>pederson's silver
I am on a Blackberry right now so my internet capabilities are limited. A
couple references are below.
- Steve N
http://www.quantumbalancing.com/real_facts_on_colloidal_silver.htm
"The ionic portion is a combination of silver hydroxide and silver oxide.
While in solution they continually convert from one to the other and back
again. Each has a solubility of about 13 ppm, so any EIS which is less
than about 26 ppm and a pH of 7 will be totally dissolved. Upon contact
with the HCl (hydrochloric acid) of the stomach both of these compounds
will immediately form silver chloride"
http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/771121
2) "A slurry of Ag2O is readily attacked by acids:Ag2O + 2 HX â' 2 AgX +
H2O where HX = HF, HCl, HBr, or HI,
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