Hi Gary,
The areas of pain you describe can also be referred pain from 
gall-bladder/liver issues. I hope they aren't, but I've been struggling with 
the conundrum of referred pain, and post-herpetic neuralgia, and it's hard to 
discern what's what, especially when the pain is unrelenting and distracts 
clear thought. It seems to be weakening in intensity, though. I hope you find 
the answer very soon.
Meanwhile, deeply breathe calm, healing energy in through your nose, and gently 
blow out the pain through your mouth. Focussing on the breath can offer periods 
of respite, and oxygenate whatever process is struggling to function.

Be well,
Léna
On Nov 12, 2012, at 3:12 PM, Gary Hilt wrote:

> Hi Lena
> sorry your having the discomfort you mentioned. i have been aware of trigger 
> point for years but many
> of my cramps are a knotting around my rib cage and the diaphragm are so herd 
> to facilitate there.
> Hope that your continued therapy works.  
> 
> On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 1:59 PM, Lena Guyot <drumr...@stny.rr.com> wrote:
> I'm just getting through shingles, and there's a thing called post-herpetic 
> neuralgia which is gnawing muscle spasm that feels like rats are eating their 
> way into my back. Nasty stuff. 
> Years ago, I read Pain Erasure, (Bonnie Prudden was involved in its 
> publication. It posited the issue of trigger points: areas of 'dead', damaged 
> muscle, surrounded by other muscles working overtime to compensate. 
> 
> I think, no matter what the initial cause for the original muscle problem, 
> this could contribute to the other issues later on. They mentioned finding 
> the trigger-points (easy: when you hit a knot of excruciating pain, that's 
> one!) Then press with an elbow into that knot (awful, simply awful) gathering 
> pressure for a few minutes until it's completely unbearable and then, just as 
> gradually, easing up on the pressure. This allows blood flow to reawaken the 
> 'dead' spot and help it begin to restore itself.
> 
> I tried this this weekend and though it was the last thing I wanted to do, I 
> could feel warmth and energy and an nasty itchiness return to what had been a 
> nightmarish pain. Now the scale of pain is ramping down, slowly. 
> 
> This is not to say that mag. and pot. and whatever else you do isn't VERY 
> important, but just to suggest that a mechanical help might be in order too.
> 
> I wish anyone with this sort of pain the very best of recovery as it's truly 
> wretched and makes life very difficult. Just sitting here, writing this, is 
> making it all attempt a comeback!
> 
> Be well,
> Léna
> On Nov 12, 2012, at 11:35 AM, Gary Hilt wrote:
> 
>> Hey Dave
>> appreciate your help. There seems to be a consensus about the magnesium.
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 11:32 AM, Dave Darrin <davedar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Gary
>>   I was never addicted but after I quit drinking I had the same problem,
>> It takes not less than 500mg of magnesium, morning and again at night to 
>> alleviate.
>> If I skip just one dose I get cramps.
>> Dave
>> 
>> On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 8:18 PM, Gary Hilt <sobertogod1n...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hey yall
>> i have been experiencing muscle spasms all over for over 7 years since 
>> recovering from alcohol addiction. The doctors have no clue. its not 
>> potassium depletion. We eat and drink lots of veggies etc.
>> i wondered if any of yall have any ideas???
>> Thanks
>> 
>> -- 
>> Eph 1:2  Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord 
>> Jesus Christ. 
>> Gary & Lennie
>> 
>> 
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>> -- 
>> Eph 1:2  Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord 
>> Jesus Christ. 
>> Gary & Lennie
>> 
> 
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> 
> 
> -- 
> Eph 1:2  Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord 
> Jesus Christ. 
> Gary & Lennie
>