He said he was trying to use their digestall, which didn't work worth a darn. I had been warned of that before and used the standard manual digestion method. He said that he had Hach over to show that he was getting no results when he tested what the digestall produced, and to prove that there was indeed some silver in the colloid, he ran it without digestion, and lo and behold he got results consistant with the test results other labs had given.
So he is not digesting before testing. I plan on trying it today myself. He spoke a good deal on the Free Mexican Clinic that he is helping fund. He indicated that about 75% of the patients get CS and many get only CS at that clinic. He asked if I had anything I could donate to the Clinic. I think what he is doing is great. We spoke a little about the FDA. He dislikes the FDA as much as I do, but said that he thinks that the latest ruling is correct and is happy to see it. I don't agree, I see it as just one step in a series to deprive Americans of economical, healthy and risk free medical alternatives to expensive, non-working and deadly procedures. Marshall James Osbourne, Holmes wrote: > Please relay the results of your conversation with Bruce. I try to call him > sparingly. > > James Osbourne Holmes > a...@trail.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: Marshall Dudley [SMTP:mdud...@execonn.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 1999 12:01 PM > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: CS>Graph comparison: ppm & conductivity. > > I will have to get with Bruce on this. He is the one that put me onto Hach in > the first place and at the time was using digestion. The method he used > required sulfuric acid, and produces silver sulfate which is almost > insoluable, > so I went back to Hack and they gave me a procedure that uses Nitric Acid > only. > > I am calling Bruce now to see if he has changed his procedure. > > Marshall > > James Osbourne, Holmes wrote: > > > If I may interject.... > > > > Using the Hach silver chemistry, Bruce found that the digestion process, > > which involves all sorts of nasty stuff, produced erratic results with CS. > > This was verified by a Hach tech rep. present at Bruce's lab. > > > > They decided that the process works reliably without the digestion. That > > is the method which I use to measure mg/L-PPM. I think it is also the > > method used by Bob Berger. Bob, Bruce, and myself have very close results > > with the same samples. > > > > If someone is doing the Hach test with digestion, can I send you a sample > > to see how well they correlate. I will reciprocate with your sample if you > > like. > > > > I have yet to get an ISE [R&D funding limitations]. I think the "charge > > per cluster" theory is probably correct. Has anyone ever discussed this in > > detail with an ISE manufacturer? > > > > James Osbourne Holmes > > a...@trail.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Marshall Dudley [SMTP:mdud...@execonn.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 1999 9:19 AM > > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Subject: Re: CS>Graph comparison: ppm & conductivity. > > > > Ivan Anderson wrote: > > > > > PPM reading was supplied by a silver Ion Selective Electrode. > > > Water was Purified Water BP and read 1uS before electrolysis. > > > > Prior to purchasing our spectrophotometer and silver kit, I check into > > using a > > silver ion selective electrode for measuring ppm. I was told that it > > measures > > the number of ions (amount of charge) assuming the normal mobility of > > silver > > ions, and that silver colloid would not produce a correct measurement due > > to > > there typically being less charge on each particle than the number of atoms > > in > > the particle, and due to the mobility being different than for one ion. > > > > To use it properly one has to digest the silver so that you have silver > > nitrate first, then use the probe on the residual silver nitrate. This is > > exactly the same process I have to go through with the spectrophotometer > > for > > ppm measurements. > > > > I was wanting to verify that you were indeed digesting the colloidal silver > > before using the probe. If so this is a very interesting set of curves. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Marshall > > > > -- > > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour <mdev...@id.net>
