thanks Fred for your response.
unfortunately I don't know anything about ZETA potentials. I think I
have read something on this list in the past. There must be experts
around.
Hope you find one,
Günter

Fred schrieb:
> 
> Thanks Gunther, for the in depth explaination of possible particle charges,
> you are certainly right in the probable effects to the ion, and it helps 
> explain
> some of the anomolies in HVAC applications. I will digest that, as I am about
> to embark on developmental work for a HVAC based system for two different
> industrial processes.
> 
> I must admit,  seeing stability exceeding a year, with the "true ionic 
> colloid" I
> believe I am making, gives me a "warm fuzzy feeling", when I visualize silver
> ions  (lumps, clumps) pushing each other apart.
> 
> I asked before, but it may have been missed - "Have you seen any data on ZETA
> Potential"? I was challanged by someone about the Zeta charge on my particles
> and all I could find was a site selling the equipment - without any reference 
> data!
> He suggested the Zeta should be 60mv and 'most Universities had the test
> equipment'!  Check them out at:  <http://www.bic.com>
> 
> Your feedback would be appreciated!
> 
> f...@health2us.com
> 
> "Hello Fred and James and the others,
> one should not forget that in water one has always also OH- and H+ ions
> (and with changing concentrations during the process) . Assume an Ag+
> has been released from the anode, it may combine for a while with a OH-
> forming AgOH and being neutral then. It will not be attracted back to
> the electrode in the negative cycle. (Not totally true, see below).
> Another Ag+ -Ion or a AgOH-molecule, or both can bind to it and thus may
> form a larger cluster which is less mobile and will therefore also not
> reach the electrode in the negative cycle.
> In addition, water dipoles will be attracted by the charged particle and
> surrounds it by a water skin (Ivan often has emphasized this). The
> particle stays positively charged, but its mobility is further reduced.
> 
> Now to the movement of neutral particles:
> If these particles are dipoles (positively charged at one end and
> negatively at the other) they may be attracted by unhomogeneous (e.g.
> cone shaped) electrical fields. This is the same mechanism which happens
> at HV when the water molecules are attracted to the wire, suspended
> above the water level.
> 
> Does this help?
> Günter
> 
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