Hi Guenter, Thanks for your continuing comments. Is the O2 the dipole? Or the Silver?. How does the separate rotation of the ions translate into a rotation of the bulk around the arc bars? If it reverses each cycle, what is the force which is unbalanced enough to hold the cone up? James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com
-----Original Message----- From: Guenter Poelz [SMTP:po...@mail.desy.de] Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 1999 12:17 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>RE:Particle size -LV and HV James, the global effect is independent from polarity. When the wire is positively charged, the negative end of the dipole is attracted and will be directed closer to the wire, the positive is repulsed, is further away. During the negative cycle of the wire, the whole thing is reversed. During both polarities of the wire the dipoles are attracted (because of the different distances of the dipole charges to the wire), but the dipoles change permanently their directions. Because attraction and repulsion both take place simultaneously, the force on a dipole in an unhomogeneous field is weaker as on a singular charge (e.g. an ion). you see, the dipole is permanently oscillating or rotating in an alternating electrical field. If there is also a magnetic field, as it is around an electric current, there are also forces transverse to that field, which makes the movement more complicated. I hope you can agree, Gunter "James Osbourne, Holmes" schrieb: > > Thanks Guenter, > > Why does the cone rise with the alternating current? What vectors make it spin? > > James Osbourne Holmes > a...@trail.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: Guenter Poelz [SMTP:po...@mail.desy.de] > Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 1999 10:27 AM > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: CS>RE:Particle size -LV and HV > > Hello Fred and James and the others, > one should not forget that in water one has always also OH- and H+ ions > (and with changing concentrations during the process) . Assume an Ag+ > has been released from the anode, it may combine for a while with a OH- > forming AgOH and being neutral then. It will not be attracted back to > the electrode in the negative cycle. (Not totally true, see below). > Another Ag+ -Ion or a AgOH-molecule, or both can bind to it and thus may > form a larger cluster which is less mobile and will therefore also not > reach the electrode in the negative cycle. > In addition, water dipoles will be attracted by the charged particle and > surrounds it by a water skin (Ivan often has emphasized this). The > particle stays positively charged, but its mobility is further reduced. > > Now to the movement of neutral particles: > If these particles are dipoles (positively charged at one end and > negatively at the other) they may be attracted by unhomogeneous (e.g. > cone shaped) electrical fields. This is the same mechanism which happens > at HV when the water molecules are attracted to the wire, suspended > above the water level. > > Does this help? > Gunter > > Fred schrieb: > > > > James, snip......... -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour <mdev...@id.net>