Dear Katie Jay, In your post you said in part, two things:
1. "Did you know [that] some antibiotics cause mutations of Bb (lyme spirochete) that's why I'm taking a rest from abx and went to Mexico." 2. Your friend said that the doctor told her that her "bacteria count" tripled. I think your friend may actually have been told that her viral count tripled. At any rate, according to my Infectious Disease specialist it is the Herpes 6 or 7 virus that is associated with MS symptoms. My physician says it is the bacteria Borrelia burgdorferi (Bb) and the other bacterias such as Ehrlichia that "activate" the viruses somehow. When you first start treating Lyme disease EFFECTIVELY one's symptoms usually but not always get much worse. This widely reported Herxheimer effect may be due to an increase in the viral load in the body. The adverse Herxing effect is temporary. Some think that the viral increase may be due to viruses being released by dying bacterias. My guess is that your friend would have had the same viral increase if she had been taking Doxycycline or Metronidazole for just a short while. ----------------------- If you take Doxycycline in sufficient amount you will kill Bb spirochetes because the Doxy can attach itself to the cell wall of the spirochete. But Bb spirochetes have the ability to revert to an alternate cystic form when threatened by a hostile environment such as when surrounded by cerebral spinal fluid, attacked by Doxycycline or by CS, or some other hostile environment in the body. It isn't just CS or abxs that prompt and allow some Bb spirochetes to escape and revert to a cystic form. The cystic form of Bb does not have a cell wall like the spirochete and therefore the Doxy cannot attach itself to the cystic form of Bb and thereby kill or inactivate it. But oral Doxy seems to be a good way to BEGIN treatment for Lyme and can potentially make one feel a whole lot better after the first four to six weeks of feeling worse and up to the third month or so you can feel much better. But you can expect that after three or four months of only oral Doxy you will seem to plateau and then go downhill as the Bb cysts keep multiplying. This was true of me and I was later found to also have Ehrlichia. As soon as you stop the Doxy the spirochetes emerge from the cysts and you feel very sick immediately. I had a live blood microscope test done --- using Giemsa stain --- done during the sixth month that I was on Doxy and I was shown through a microscope the live and kicking Bb cysts alongside a few dead spirochetes. Both the cysts and the spirochetes luminesced under ultra violet light and appeared beautifully clear under phase contrast illumination. If I stopped the Doxy for 24 hours I started feeling awful. But note that Olive Leaf Extract capsules and Grapefruit Seed Extract tablets taken with the Doxy helped me feel much better --- no headaches. Perhaps this was because of the anti-viral attributes of these two herbal products. So I suggest to chronic Lyme sufferers to not throw away the CS idea as ineffective. Just realize that there are probably viruses also to deal with and those Bb spirochetes are alive, smart, and capable of retreating when threatened by transforming themselves into an alternate cystic form. It should be no surprise that it may take more than CS alone to do the job in the case of late disseminated Lyme disease --- aka chronic Lyme disease. Metronidazole and Tinidazole are effective at dealing with the cystic form of Bb. Tinidazole is 10 times as effective against the cystic form of Bb in vitro according to Norwegian researchers (unpublished). BTW Tinidazole is available in Mexico relatively cheap and even without a prescription, I was told. When Lyme patients start taking something that is effective against the cyst form of Bb they experience shock symptoms in their body, probably because Bb cysts are located in the nervous systems. Both metronidazole and CS gave me shocks behind my eyeballs when I first began to take them. Previously, the Lyme disease had been giving me tapping sensations behind my eyeballs. But if you have Babesia or Ehrlichia, common co-infections of Bb (from the same bug bite) then they say that you will never get rid of the Bb until you get rid of these two co-infections. Ehrlichia was reported as being capable of invading your neutrophils and compromising your immune system. IMO the Bb bacteria and the other bacterias seem to either activate viruses in our body, or deposit them, or create them --- choose your theory. In any event, Bb patients have viruses to kill or inactivate as well as bacterias and maybe more stuff not yet identified. So a chronically ill patient ought to be tested for Borrelia, Babesia, Ehrlichia, and all the viruses possible to test for including Epstein-Barr. Which is why knowledgeable and up-to-date physicians say that Lyme disease and these other diagnoses are really best viewed as a complex of diseases --- a complex that can vary somewhat from patient to patient. IMO a good CS along with the Beck-designed experimental devices are useful for this complex of diseases because they are potentially effective against bacteria, viruses and fungi by inactivating them. But physicians warn us that the treatment is long-term and should not be discontinued, once it is started, until the patient is symptom-free for at least two months. Massage and heat therapy will probably help also, as well as exercise. Anything to inactivate the diversity of bugs and help flush out these bugs that are so widely disseminated in the body of the chronically ill person. I am here to tell you that this experimental protocol advocated by Bob Beck seemed to work for me after I had Doxy for 6 months and Metronidazole for 3 months and two courses of Azithromycin (Zithromax) for the Ehrlichia and also CS by itself. Each of these made its contribution toward better health but only the three Beck-advocated experimental devices combined with CS resulted in stopping my relapses. I made my own CS. Have you acquainted yourself with this forum --- beck-n-st...@egroups.com Have you read Dr Burrascano's May 2000 treatise on Lyme disease? It is found at http://www2.lymenet.org/domino/file.nsf/UID/guidelines This is an excellent overview of Lyme disease. I may differ with Dr Burrascano on one point. Toward the end of his treatise Dr Burrascano says that ". . . we do not have as yet a specific Bb detection test. . . ." I disagree with this statement if Dr Burrascano is saying that there is not a good reliable test available RIGHT NOW to find out if you have Bb. Lida Mattman PhD in Michigan and her research associate, Jo Anne Whitaker MD in Palm Harbor FL have reliable tests for Bb. Dr Mattman cultures the live blood and Dr Whitaker has a live peripheral blood test. Mattman's accuracy is 91 %. and Whitaker's test is almost as accurate (missed only one out of approximately 500). Check it out. My Lyme physician considers their tests to be the gold standard for testing for active Lyme disease. Go to http://130.14.32.49/cgi-bin/VERSION_A/IGM-client?18965+records+1 Also see bowen.org for info on how to contact Dr Whitaker. Best wishes to you and your friend for finding the solutions for your complex of diseases. IMO and in the opinion of my physician "chronic lyme disease" IS DEFINITELY curable. It takes a patient, persistent, persevering patient and doctor to find the solutions. Information is available if you dig for it diligently. It is not simple. The complex of bacterias and viruses apparently varies from patient to patient. CS or Doxy or Metronidazole or Tinidazole or Zithromax or Mepron (for Babesia) each by themselves alone won't do the whole job. I recently spoke to a knowledgeable scientist who told me that he treated himself for Lyme disease by using CS, the blood electrifier, the magnetic pulser, and ozonated water for 6 months. He said that he has been symptom-free for 4.5 years. He told me that during this 6-month protocol he, at times, tried to use the electrifier almost 24 hours per day. He said that he drank at least 24 ounces of ozonated water per day. He admitted that he had to skip or modify this protocol on some days due to his work etc.and even was off the protocol entirely for four days at one point. If you or your friend have been chronically ill with MS, Lyme disease, Fibromyalgia etc for more than a year or have been treated with steroids then you are usually classified as a chronic Lyme case or as having late, disseminated Lyme disease and are considered to be more difficult to cure. Your immune system is more compromised. So there are many abxs that are used effectively to a point. They each seem to help with only part of the problem. Whereas the Beck 4-part protocol seems to cover a wide range of this complex problem and seems to me to be potentially able to reach more regions of the body. Best wishes for the restoration of your health and that of your friend. Please keep me/us informed about what you experiment with in Mexico and what you learn in your journey toward better health. Carlos LeClair =============== ----- Original Message ----- From: "Katie Jay" <kj...@erols.com> To: <silver-list@eskimo.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 1:17 AM Subject: CS stimulates bacteria??? > Hi all, > > I'm continuing the discussion with the woman who said her MS bacterial count > tripled while she was on CS. I know this may have no merit in the efficacy > of CS, but here are the further details she gave me. Thanks, Katie > > Her words: > > Making it myself with Beck machine; about 4-5 ounces a day 5 days a week for > 6 months. No antibiotics then. So two different doctors told me CS > stimulated some bacteria; BUT to date NO substantiating medical papers, just > words. And evidence if my count was true as pathologist said when it > tripled. > > Did you know some antibiotcs cause muations of Bb (lyme spirochete) that's > why I'm taking a rest from abx and went to Mexico. > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour <mdev...@eskimo.com> > >
