Dear Russ,
                        I do not wish to generate an issue over peripheral
contentions, but I will address one claim made by various sources of
commercially available MSM and related products:  We have found the same case
to hold---as Dr. Jacob states on page 230 of your book reference;  "Vitamin C
is a wonderful substance.. We know of no evidence, however, of any supporting
role related to MSM.".    Our researches have not confirmed the necessity of
additional substances as catalysts or companions----for MSM to express its
detectable effects.
                        Not having ever used "synthetically produced" MSM
(i.e. from petroleum stocks) I can make no useful
comment on its efficacy.  Since some organic-based reductions/conversions do
appear to result in end products containing foreign particle "tags" and/or
microscopic "contaminants", it may be possible for MSM to fall in this
category.  Our resident Chemical Engineer is not conversant with MSM
synthesizing processes, hence would volunteer no comment on possible
"contamination issues".  However, he did opine that there should NOT be any
structural difference between  MSM derived from lignin sources.....and that
synthesized from natural gas.   I am not contending this to be the case.
                        I can state,  with small  fear of contradiction, that
it is a simple matter to confirm---from the seller---whether or not the MSM
you are purchasing is from plant-source origins (lignin-based) or from other
hydrocarbon origins.  All of the products we evaluated (5) were from
lignin-based sources (Crown Zellerbach Co. process).  Manufacturers are bound
by law to furnish such information----however, their proprietary processes
used to manufacture their products may not be subject to disclosure.
                        In all of our analyses and researches we have not
found another substance (excepting DMSO itself) that materially affects---in
any way---the biological  mechanism of MSM.  I am not contending that others
have not----just that we have not.  We have, on the other hand, found many
substances whose effects are modified by MSM as a companion---including
water.
                        I appreciate your information relating to the
synthetic MSM of  natural gas origin.  I will have someone investigate this
circumstance ASAP and relate his/her findings.
                                                Sincerely,  Brooks Bradley.
russ e rosser wrote:

> Hi, Brooks--
>
> The following was posted here:
>
> "MSM can also be synthesized from petroleum by-products, from natural
> gas.  When a friend says, "they have found MSM for a few dollars a pound"
> that is what they've found, and it doesn't work the same in the body!
> Period!
> The synthesized version is not the same. MSM cannot be taken alone,
> that's
> why Gary mixed it with Woolfberry, Vitamin C, etc. and certain co -
> nutrients to activate it.
>
> "If someone tells you they've tried MSM and it doesn't work. Chances
> are they probably used an adulterated version without the activating
> co-neutrients. They need Sulfurzyme! What they took doesn't work!
>
> "Read the book the "MSM Miracle" by Dr Jacob and Dr.
> Lawrence. Very good book. Dr Lawrence told me, after he spoke after a
> YL conference last year, Sufurzyme is the best source of MSM that he
> knows of, in spite of the MSM advertisement in his book, for an inferior
> product, installed to defer publishing costs. Dr. Lawrence said  he would
> have
> advertised Sulfurzyme in the  book he coauthored, but Gary didn't want
> Sulfurzyme advertised that way! To me, sulfurzyme is nothing short of
> a Miracle!"
>
> Therein are ambiguous derrogations of MSM products because of 1)
> synthetic origin, 2) impurity ('adulteration'), 3) LACK of impurities
> (co-nutrients)!  Of course, if two products are identical, their
> different origins wouldn't matter, but labels aren't nomenclature; to
> wit: the diverse & discrepant products bearing the label "vitamin C",
> "vitamin E", etc.).  Should I infer from your reply that *purity* is the
> only quality issue?  Tx.
>
> --Russ
>
> On Fri, 29 Dec 2000 20:12:59 -0800 BROOKS BRADLEY <[email protected]>
> writes:
> >                                 Dear Russ,
> >                             I am somewhat puzzled by your statement
> > of
> > inquiry.  Maybe a brief explanation of the DMSO--MSM connection
> > might serve
> > to clarify the situation and bring the whole situation into better
> > focus.
> >                             All commercially available DMSO, of
> > which I am
> > aware...".comes from lignin, an organic cement-like substance that
> > binds wood
> > fiber together.  the first step in the process was extracting
> > dimethyl
> > sulfide (DMS) from the lignin, which was then oxygenated to form
> > DMSO.  The
> > company (Crown Zellerbach) was exploring the solvent potential of
> > DMSO for
> > industrial use."  .....Quote by Dr. Stanley Jacob in "The Miracle of
> > MSM".
> >                     In the late 1970's, Rober Herschler suggested
> > stjudying
> > the properties of DMSO metabolites. -----------"we began to look at
> > dimethy
> > sulfone, DMSO2---another scientific name for MSM---which is the
> > major
> > metabolite of DMSO.".    * Ibid.
> >                     As far as I know....there is only one source
> > type, for
> > DMSO and its metabolites......and that is from plant-derived lignin
> > fractions.  Attempting to "synthesize" this material from other
> > sources would
> > appear to be the height of folly----since the "parent material"
> > (DMSO)
> > derived from a 'throw-away' product Crown Zellerbach was trying to
> > find a
> > viable commercial application for----in the first place.  Lignin,
> > from trees,
> > is one of the most abundant organic derivatives----on the planet.
> >                 I am afraid the public is being subjected to
> > powerful HYPE,
> > generated by commercial interests eager to get people to "Buy my
> > Dog"....he
> > is UNIQUE.
> >                 There are few---if any---mysteries about the source
> > of DMSO
> > or any of its metabolites....including MSM.   All of them
> > (metabolites) are
> > derived from DMSO.
> >                 At some future time, when we all have more time, I
> > will spin
> > some interesting stories as to the "exact" differences between DMSO
> > and MSM.
> >                 I hope this helps.  Sincerely,  Brooks Bradley.
> >
> >
> > russ e rosser wrote:
> >
> > > Brooks--
> > >
> > > I've heard that some MSM synthethised from chemical parent
> > materials is
> > > inferior to more "natural" forms.  What do you recommend, or what
> > did you
> > > use for the laxative results?  Tx.
> > >
> > > --Russ
> > >
> > > On Thu, 28 Dec 2000 13:30:38 -0800 "Christiane Osowiecki"
> > > <[email protected]> writes:
> > > > Brooks,
> > > > I am very interested!!  My daughter 4 1/2 is always constipated.
> > > > (remember
> > > > that she is a kidney transplant, and has liver disease)  The
> > doctors
> > > > haven't
> > > > ever had an answer as to why, but there are many factors.  We
> > have
> > > > tried all
> > > > the prescription and over the counter remedies..........all to
> > > > varying
> > > > degrees of success, but none to any substantial benefit.
> > > >
> > > > This post comes on a day when she is having an exceptionally
> > > > difficult time.
> > > > I have MSM powder here, but wanted to inquire about a specific
> > dose
> > > > to try.
> > > > Do you have the dosing brought down to an amount per KG (or even
> > > > lb.) of
> > > > body weight?
> > > >
> > > > Also, I am aware that you are not a doctor, nor do you claim to
> > be
> > > > one, but
> > > > are you aware of any contraindications of using MSM with a
> > kidney or
> > > > liver
> > > > that are jeopardized?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks to you (as usual)
> > > > Christiane ~:-}
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: BROOKS BRADLEY <[email protected]>
> > > > To: <[email protected]>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2000 12:21 PM
> > > > Subject: CS>OT:SIMPLE LAXATIVE ALTERNATIVE
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >                 To all interested list members.
> > > > >                 Recently, one of our staff, while conducting
> > an
> > > > > unrelated protocol, discovered a very useful---and
> > > > > repeatable---methodology for controlling chronic constipation
> > > > > (especially among the geriatric population).
> > > > >                 His serendipitous discovery lead to a more
> > > > controlled
> > > > > evaluation of 19 experimental volunteers.  All (ages varying
> > from
> > > > 35 to
> > > > > 75) suffered from chronic constipation.
> > > > >                 The experimental protocol involved the
> > ingesting
> > > > of 5 to
> > > > > 10 grams (depending on age and body mass) of MSM crystals
> > > > accompanied by
> > > > > 8 to 10 ounces of water.  The response time depended upon the
> > > > degree of
> > > > > systemic dehydration---and the severity of lower-bowel
> > impaction
> > > > > complications.  In a majority of cases, relieving bowel-action
> > > > occurred
> > > > > with 30 to 40 minutes.  In many cases.....10 to 15 minutes.
> > > > >                   Analyses directed at determining the exact
> > mode
> > > > of
> > > > > action revealed a simple, and obvious, systemic
> > > > response....restoration
> > > > > and stabilization of proper body-systems' cellular hydration.
> > > > >                     Further analyses revealed an interesting
> > > > corollary;
> > > > > a majority of all serious constipation cases occurred during
> > the
> > > > winter
> > > > > months.....and or among those persons having central air
> > > > conditioning.
> > > > >                      Existing general research appears to
> > confirm
> > > > our
> > > > > experiences, in that a major problem expressing among the
> > general
> > > > human
> > > > > populations, is a pervasive, chronic dehydration.  This is
> > > > > complicated---especially among older persons---by the fact
> > that
> > > > the body
> > > > > goes into a moisture-conservation mode when faced by reduced
> > water
> > > > > intake.  This process is especially damaging in that the
> > histamine
> > > > > levels elevate as the body rushes into "drought management"
> > and
> > > > > institutes a "brain-first" water priority.  Additionally, as
> > this
> > > > > process occurs there is, rarely, an associated rise in the
> > thirst
> > > > > reflex.......especially in COLD weather.
> > > > >                      Additionally, this problem presents very
> > > > serious
> > > > > challenges (especially among older persons)....in that active
> > > > > perspiration decreases under sedentary and
> > > > "temperature-controlled"
> > > > > conditions.....resulting in a reduced thirst----even though
> > the
> > > > > indidvidual is literally "systemically dessicating".
> > > > >                 The only viable approach we have been able to
> > > > invoke has
> > > > > been to establish a  "non-variable"  water intake schedule
> > which
> > > > insures
> > > > > a minimum hydration condition.
> > > > >                 Interestingly, once stabilized, a majority
> > (all
> > > > but one)
> > > > > of these chronic constipation sufferers, were able (during the
> > 45
> > > > day
> > > > > follow-up test) to TOTALLY eliminate constipation
> > complications
> > > > through
> > > > > the simple expedient of ingesting 1000 mg of MSM crystals
> > (twice
> > > > daily)
> > > > > accompanied by 8 to 10 ounces of water.  It must be disclosed
> > that
> > > > the
> > > > > minimum water intake was INSURED to be 70 ounces daily.
> > > > >                 As a point of interest;  a rather pronounced
> > > > number of
> > > > > ancillary health complications experienced (from among the
> > total
> > > > > population) "spontaneous remission" during this 45 day test
> > > > period.  A
> > > > > follow-up evaluation revealed that 8 of the participants have
> > > > since
> > > > > ceased the MSM/water protocol-----and ALL have experienced a
> > > > relapse to
> > > > > their former state....."You can lead a horse to water,
> > > > but........"
> > > > >                         Sincerely,  Brooks Bradley.
> > > > >
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