Roger, The reason I said the fact of the matter is confounding is this: the ionic content in a formulation is not quite so simple. The ionic silver content is in all likelihood complexed with whatever impurities were present in the water to begin with.... or that it has taken from the air. Such relationships are not easily determined, if at all -- such as AgNO3 to mention one specifically that is likely present in most formulations. Since Nitrogen is #7 in the Atomic chart it is not really detectable even by Inductively coupled Plasma Spectrophotometry although other elements [above 8] that can be detected might be present. How materials operate at a sub-nanometer level are full of mystery. I am convinced there is some similarity with homeopathic science, where only the vibrational memory of a particular presence is left in a, for example, 30x dilution. When using a TEM, for example, we are often able to see the effect of electron bombardment on some of the materials, esp those that are neutral but remain susceptible to the electrons. We've seen what look like nanometer-scale chips, cut are really crystals coursing with energy in patterns that resemble computer chips. Anyway.... I'm not wringing my hands at the challenge, just having difficulty finding time. Stephen
-----Original Message----- From: rogalt...@aol.com [mailto:rogalt...@aol.com] Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 11:08 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>Ions vs Particles In a message dated 9/28/2001 10:50:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time, squi...@silver.nxlkhost.com writes: Thanks, Roger ....guess I did. But it is not so. We've got formulations based on our std 10ppm product of 23ppm 34ppm and higher -- all as might be characterized as ionic. The truth is no doubt more complex, ie. there is 'ionic' and there is 'ionic'. We're working at a level of scientific inquiry that is not fully understood. Stephen: I think one should not be too quick to wring ones hands in despair by dismissing the science we have at our disposal as being inadequate to provide important insights. Please check my calculations. Tell me where there are oversimplifications, bad assumptions, or just plain mistakes. As I said before, ionic species are readily definable. There is no mystique surrounding them as far as I know. Roger
