Hi, Reid, can you tell me what you meant when you wrote "goes off"? i am learning to make cs. i made mine within four feet of a charging mobile phone and a ceiling fan. Also with an over the stove vent with a small appliance bulb turned on. Thank you, nan
It appears to me that the Mexican CS, Microdyn, uses a protein binder, which is not harmful, because concentrated CS can be highly unstable. Now that I've experienced some of the various ways that the concentrated CS goes off I can attest to this instability. I've had this material go off because I missed a polarity switch, intended for one minute intervals, mistakenly making one or two intervals of two minutes. I had another batch go gray, to the oxide, because it was four feet from both a charging mobile phone and a ceiling fan. Another batch went off, even though it was in a brown glass bottle, because there was a light nearby. ----- Original Message ----- From: Reid Harvey To: silver list Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 5:19 PM Subject: CS>concentrated CS and 'agglomeration' CS Friends, Several here have observed in the past that concentrated CS is an impossibility, the material agglomerating and precipating when ppm goes high. Working with CS of ~170ppm I'm starting to get a feel for a lot of the complex science involved with the business of making concentrated CS, though certainly I do not have the background in chemistry and physics of others on the list. But I think that when folks talk about agglomeration of the CS in the making, when going for higher concentrations, what they may be referring to is actually current runaway, the upshot the silver oxidizing and precipitating. I would value the expert opinion of others on this subject. It appears to me that the Mexican CS, Microdyn, uses a protein binder, which is not harmful, because concentrated CS can be highly unstable. Now that I've experienced some of the various ways that the concentrated CS goes off I can attest to this instability. I've had this material go off because I missed a polarity switch, intended for one minute intervals, mistakenly making one or two intervals of two minutes. I had another batch go gray, to the oxide, because it was four feet from both a charging mobile phone and a ceiling fan. Another batch went off, even though it was in a brown glass bottle, because there was a light nearby. As to the close proximity of the charging mobile phone and the ceiling fan, the problem is instability in the presence of an electromagnetic field. I'm solving this problem by building a Faraday Cage, in my case placing the CS in a stout, brass box, then grounding this. I would imagine that in the past some on this list decided to experiment toward getting the higher concentrations when they heard that others had been claiming this. They want to satisfy their curiousity about the possibility of concnetrated CS. In going about the experiment I think it likely that they use their existing systems, which were in actuality designed to output 10ppm. When they get the darkening orange of the CS, something or other causes instability, leading to precipitate. Then they think the CS has agglomerated and conclude that the concentrated variety is an impossibility. Making concentrated CS requires a generator that has been designed for this purpose. In the system I use the polarity shifting is key, and heating in a double boiler is also important. Plus the appropriate amounts of electrode surface area, volume of container, etc., are all important. Bear in mind the system is for the large particle CS appropriate to saturation of our earthenware water purifiers. But my impression is that there are generators that will make concentrated, fine particle CS. As I've said I'm no expert. So I would appreciate the comments of any knowledgeable people here, especially regarding the viewpoint that people have been mistaking agglomeration for the instability caused by the several reasons I've indicated. Reid -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour <mdev...@eskimo.com>
