Hi James: Yes, there is no reason that CS cannot be added to electrolytes already being given ( that I am aware of ). In fact, some MD's utilize CS combined WITH antibiotics.
Saline is not ideal to use as a buffer, although I have not yet been able to figure out what is being used in its place. ( It is acceptable though ). Even dead bacteria can be dangerous when injected into the bloodstream. The air is nowhere near sterile. I am not aware of the same concerns being an issue intramuscularly. Oral use of CS, I agree, would be a precursor to IV use in the ideal situation. MD's do not have the legal right to act against established methods, even in acts of desperation. It may be alright for an MD to utilize silver in a case of desperation, but even if signed consent forms are signed, and a doctor ignores established protocols, it can still be viewed as criminal malpractice. Knowingly injecting an improperly prepared substance into the bloodstream is such a situation. I'm all for nebulizing in the face of any airborne infection. However, I'm not under the same constraints that MD's would be in in a hospital environment. For some reason, doctors, even those experienced in alt med methods ( even those who utilize h2o2 IV therapy ) are very intimidated by silver use via IV. Like anything else, I suppose, it would just take some experience and walking through the uncomfort zone. Best Regards, Jason ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Holmes" <ami...@starband.net> To: <silver-list@eskimo.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 10:48 PM Subject: RE: CS>Re: [sillver_list] Re: CS>Re: Nebulizing CS for SARS Redux > Comments in Trem's text. These speculations are offered as questions for > discussion, not assertions. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jason Eaton [mailto:ey...@cox.net] > Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 8:04 PM > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: CS>Re: [sillver_list] Re: CS>Re: Nebulizing CS for SARS Redux > > > > Trem: > > There are quite a few factors you are not accounting for: > > 1. Distilled water injected into the bloodstream can cause shock leading to > death. The Sol must be titrated properly; it must be prepared properly. > > JOH Why not add it to any electrolytes already being given or give Ringers > and CS? > > Why not just make it isotonic with salt, if the volume is low enough > and prepared electrolyte solutions are not available? > > 2. A product that is not certified pyrogen free can easily cause death in > someone who is already sick. It is not enough that a sol be sterile, it > cannot have any endotoxin or any substances that may induce a immune > response. > > JOH A product that is not pyrogen free, certified or not, can be > deadly. I How do pyrogens > 1, get into carefully made batches of CS, > 2. If pathogens are present, none have been demonstrated to survive > even concentrations as low as 0.002 PPM (From distant memory, > check for yourself) How will they survive 5 PPM and up? > Sterile equipment is a given. > > 3. Silver injected into the bloodstream is incredibly potent. If an MD > does not have the experience in this, hesitation can certainly be > understandable. > > JOH I agree that to be a serious problem with advanced systemic > infection of an endotoxin type. > Perhaps a protocol can be suggested based on the kill rates in broth > compared with the success against that organism in people. Perhaps an > initially cautious beginning: a very small amount by mouth leading up to > larger I V doses when the first kill debris has been processed. It is > incredibly potent, and in dosages that are an order of magnitude or two, > below toxicity. > > 4. Any of the above, if done by an MD, may easily constitute criminal > malpractice. In the US, such an MD without proper justification could > easily do federal time. > > JOH Not only that, they might hurt somebody. Don't doctors in > desperate situations have license to do whatever they think may help that > they are qualified to administer? If not, by whom and for what purpose? > > If---big if, it could be practically demonstrated [That's not the same as > jumping through all the hoops] that SARS cannot live in 5-15 PPM CS, then > there would be no reason to not nebulize; any overspray will help disinfect > the environment and all fomites it touches. > > Best Regards, > > Jason > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Trem" <t...@silvergen.com> > To: <silver-list@eskimo.com> > Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 6:17 PM > Subject: CS>Re: [sillver_list] Re: CS>Re: Nebulizing CS for SARS Redux > > > > Hi Catherine, > > > > I may be missing something here. If so, please excuse me. If > > deionized > or > > distilled water is used in injections and silver is benign, why is it > > not > a > > no brainer to inject properly made CS intravenously as a trial > > protocol? > It > > seems that it would be immediately known to the casual observer if the > > patient was getting any better since silver works so quickly. It also > seems > > to me the blood titer would show a decrease in SARS almost immediately > which > > would be the definitive answer. If one used a mix of standard CS > > which is normally composed of 70-90% ions and the remainder being > > colloids, it > would > > cover the bases of which is effective since both would be circulating > > in > the > > system. It wouldn't matter which did the job of they were to see a > decrease > > in viral load and/or the patient responded favorably. > > > > Mikes idea of using predominantly ionic silver which his process seems > > to produce doesn't carry as much weight with me as he seems to think > > it does. An ion is an ion and the ions he produces cannot be any > > different than an ion any device produces. The major difference can > > only be the ratio of > ions > > to particles and the size of the particles. If the mix is made using > > a > good > > process, it will always be crystal clear indicating the colloids are > within > > the small range of being colorless. > > > > As Bob Lee once pointed out there are about 1.41252 X 10+18 atoms in > > one teaspoon of CS made to 20+ PPM. I would think it wouldn't take > > too much > in > > an intravenous solution to see some dramatic results. > > > > And let's remember, an IV of distilled water isn't going to do any > > damage > so > > why wouldn't someone try this just to see if it works? Or as I said > > earlier, is there something I missed. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Trem > > > > > > > > I became involved with this group and actually had the opportunity > > > to present CS to them during a conference call. At that time, my > > > thoughts > > were > > > running along the lines of nebulizing. > > > > > > Since then, they've considered oral (very difficult because most > > patients > > > are too ill to drink) and IV. They are really skeptical about the > latter > > > because I can't produce enough material that speaks of efficacy with > this. > > > > > >> Regards, > > > Catherine > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal > > > silver. > > > > > > Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: > > > http://silverlist.org > > > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > > > > > Silver-list archive: > > > http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour <mdev...@eskimo.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
