HI Ode, I guess my assumption that silver would stay in place was very wrong.
I wonder how it is transported and process into an excretable form? Blood>Liver>bile? JOH -----Original Message----- From: Ode Coyote [mailto:coyote...@earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 6:00 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CS>Re: [sillver_list] Re: CS>Re: Nebulizing CS for SARS Redux " Dogs excreted approximately 90% of an inhaled dose of metallic silver particles in the feces within 30 days of exposure." {Phalen and Morrow 1973} The only way those metallic silver particles could have been excreted via feces from the lungs of the dogs is to pass through the blood stream. No mention made of particle size...probably finely ground dust. Ode At 11:03 AM 6/19/2003 -0600, you wrote: >Hi Marshall, > >I agree. The organs were loaded. I don't think the report spoke of >vascular occlusion tho, but I have only read a synopsis. > >A silver colloid will be excreted too, according to our friend and >former list participant Roger Altman's study [with a population of one, >himself]. Metallic silver will probably not be excreted. > >When you calculate the amount of water you would have to drink to get a >dose of 3.8 grams, with 10 ppm sol, the water will be toxic before the >silver. > >Should the need arise I would not hesitate to self-administer via IV >the silver that I make. How much bacteria can fall in during the brief >time that I pour the DW or before I put the lid on the generator? Not enough to >Herx. And there will certainly be no live ones there. > >Got 4 million? Then you can prove that CS is not pyrogenic and get it >FDA approved. > > >JOH > >-----Original Message----- >From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@execonn.com] >Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 8:31 AM >To: silver-list@eskimo.com >Subject: Re: CS>Re: [sillver_list] Re: CS>Re: Nebulizing CS for SARS >Redux > > > >I don't see how injecting fine metal power of any kind has any relation >to the amount of that metal being toxic. I would think that metal >power would very effectively block up the blood vessels, and once you >block the vessels to the brain or heart death would certainly follow. >Toxcitiy could be totally different for a colloid, or compound. > >Marshall > >James Holmes wrote: > > > Please note folk, 3.8 g. Is the TOXIC dose, NOT the lethal dose. > > Dogs (don't remember the weight) were killed with 1 gram of fine > > metal powder injected. Not intentionally; they were trying to > > create a blood problem to study. It is in John Hill's book. Who > > would ever want to get anywhere that, and how could you do it even > > if 10 times the required dose was administered? > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Trem [mailto:t...@silvergen.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 8:19 PM > > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Subject: Re: CS>Re: [sillver_list] Re: CS>Re: Nebulizing CS for SARS > > Redux > > > > Hi Jason, > > > > As I said earlier....am I missing something. Thanks for pointing > > out the reason it isn't a no brainer. Remember, I'm just a designer > > and not a physician. Although if it was an animal I owned, I'd > > probably try it since the critter would probably be a goner if > > something wasn't tried. Too bad they don't have any animals with > > SARS to try it on. That would produce some definitive results just > > as trying it on a human would. > > > > The thing in your post that bothers me is this. Why is distilled > > water poisonous if is composed of H20 and has no impurities? It > > would be pure by definition if distilled or deionized wouldn't it? > > Or is it that a small amount of water is too much for the body to > > assimilate? I don't think so since it is used in injections all the > > time. > > > > What is a pyrogen? And why would that be in properly distilled > > water? > > > > Of course silver is incredibly potent. That's the reason for using > > it. But as Jim just pointed out, the lethal dose is 3.8 grams. I'm > > talking about using tenths or hundredths of milligrams, not grams. > > > > Regards, > > > > Trem > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jason Eaton" <ey...@cox.net> > > To: <silver-list@eskimo.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 7:03 PM > > Subject: Re: CS>Re: [sillver_list] Re: CS>Re: Nebulizing CS for SARS > > Redux > > > > > Trem: > > > > > > There are quite a few factors you are not accounting for: > > > > > > 1. Distilled water injected into the bloodstream can cause shock > > > leading > > to > > > death. The Sol must be titrated properly; it must be prepared > > > properly. > > > > > > 2. A product that is not certified pyrogen free can easily cause > > > death in someone who is already sick. It is not enough that a sol > > > be sterile, it cannot have any endotoxin or any substances that > > > may induce a immune response. > > > > > > 3. Silver injected into the bloodstream is incredibly potent. If > > > an MD does not have the experience in this, hesitation can > > > certainly be understandable. > > > > > > 4. Any of the above, if done by an MD, may easily constitute > > > criminal malpractice. In the US, such an MD without proper > > > justification could easily do federal time. > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > > > Jason > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Trem" <t...@silvergen.com> > > > To: <silver-list@eskimo.com> > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 6:17 PM > > > Subject: CS>Re: [sillver_list] Re: CS>Re: Nebulizing CS for SARS > > > Redux > > > > > > > > > > Hi Catherine, > > > > > > > > I may be missing something here. If so, please excuse me. If > > > > deionized > > > or > > > > distilled water is used in injections and silver is benign, why > > > > is it > > not > > > a > > > > no brainer to inject properly made CS intravenously as a trial > > > > protocol? > > > It > > > > seems that it would be immediately known to the casual observer > > > > if the patient was getting any better since silver works so > > > > quickly. It also > > > seems > > > > to me the blood titer would show a decrease in SARS almost > > > > immediately > > > which > > > > would be the definitive answer. If one used a mix of standard > > > > CS which > > is > > > > normally composed of 70-90% ions and the remainder being > > > > colloids, it > > > would > > > > cover the bases of which is effective since both would be > > > > circulating in > > > the > > > > system. It wouldn't matter which did the job of they were to > > > > see a > > > decrease > > > > in viral load and/or the patient responded favorably. > > > > > > > > Mikes idea of using predominantly ionic silver which his process > > > > seems > > to > > > > produce doesn't carry as much weight with me as he seems to > > > > think it > > does. > > > > An ion is an ion and the ions he produces cannot be any > > > > different than > > an > > > > ion any device produces. The major difference can only be the > > > > ratio of > > > ions > > > > to particles and the size of the particles. If the mix is made > > > > using a > > > good > > > > process, it will always be crystal clear indicating the colloids > > > > are > > > within > > > > the small range of being colorless. > > > > > > > > As Bob Lee once pointed out there are about 1.41252 X 10+18 > > > > atoms in one teaspoon of CS made to 20+ PPM. I would think it > > > > wouldn't take too much > > > in > > > > an intravenous solution to see some dramatic results. > > > > > > > > And let's remember, an IV of distilled water isn't going to do > > > > any > > damage > > > so > > > > why wouldn't someone try this just to see if it works? Or as I > > > > said earlier, is there something I missed. > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > Trem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I became involved with this group and actually had the > > > > > opportunity > > to > > > > > present CS to them during a conference call. At that time, my > > thoughts > > > > were > > > > > running along the lines of nebulizing. > > > > > > > > > > Since then, they've considered oral (very difficult because > > > > > most > > > > patients > > > > > are too ill to drink) and IV. They are really skeptical about > > > > > the > > > latter > > > > > because I can't produce enough material that speaks of > > > > > efficacy with > > > this. > > > > > > > > > >> Regards, > > > > > Catherine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of > > > > > colloidal > > silver. > > > > > > > > > > Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: > > > > > http://silverlist.org > > > > > > > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > > > > > > > > > Silver-list archive: > > http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > > > > > > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour <mdev...@eskimo.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
